1 00:00:35,610 --> 00:00:33,420 Tim and Tim this is paulina or behind 2 00:00:38,460 --> 00:00:35,620 the paranormal with Paul and veneno on 3 00:00:39,180 --> 00:00:38,470 WOM 12:40 in the southeastern New 4 00:00:42,060 --> 00:00:39,190 England area 5 00:00:44,369 --> 00:00:42,070 welcome to K cor digital radio network 6 00:00:46,469 --> 00:00:44,379 we know your show exploring the bizarre 7 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:46,479 will be a great success and be sure to 8 00:00:51,299 --> 00:00:48,690 pick up a copy of the Bell Witch Project 9 00:00:52,950 --> 00:00:51,309 poltergeists ghosts exorcisms on the 10 00:00:55,490 --> 00:00:52,960 supernatural in early American history 11 00:00:57,929 --> 00:00:55,500 to which I was a humble contributor 12 00:01:06,040 --> 00:00:57,939 amazon.com check it out it's great and 13 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:10,490 explode the bazaars are your e-ticket 14 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:13,010 ride into the world of the paranoid 15 00:01:20,590 --> 00:01:16,290 strap yourself in as we traverse the 16 00:01:23,710 --> 00:01:20,600 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 17 00:01:26,090 --> 00:01:23,720 ghosts Lost Worlds 18 00:01:29,930 --> 00:01:26,100 cryptozoology as well as other 19 00:01:35,060 --> 00:01:29,940 dimensions it's time to take back the 20 00:01:37,999 --> 00:01:35,070 night now you are electrifying hosts of 21 00:01:49,719 --> 00:01:38,009 exploring the bizarre Timothy Beckley 22 00:01:53,420 --> 00:01:49,729 and team sports I like I like that 23 00:01:55,550 --> 00:01:53,430 electrifying host well you know who's 24 00:01:58,310 --> 00:01:55,560 got the bottle of champagne because I 25 00:02:01,160 --> 00:01:58,320 think we should be opening one just 26 00:02:04,910 --> 00:02:01,170 about right now to celebrate our first 27 00:02:07,100 --> 00:02:04,920 to celebrate our first night on the core 28 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:07,110 you know Tim well this is Tim Buckley 29 00:02:12,229 --> 00:02:09,810 and there's another Tim which sometimes 30 00:02:14,479 --> 00:02:12,239 could get confusing but it seems to work 31 00:02:16,789 --> 00:02:14,489 out because I'm Tim and it's Tim 32 00:02:19,039 --> 00:02:16,799 Schwartz on the other line that's how 33 00:02:22,460 --> 00:02:19,049 you do that and I'm in New York and 34 00:02:25,220 --> 00:02:22,470 you're in in a banana Southwestern 35 00:02:28,250 --> 00:02:25,230 Indiana that's right it's that - Tim's 36 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:28,260 on the airwaves once again does that 37 00:02:34,430 --> 00:02:31,410 does that make us that's almost like PI 38 00:02:37,130 --> 00:02:34,440 squared or something isn't it maybe 39 00:02:41,780 --> 00:02:37,140 maybe I always just have my my mind on 40 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:41,790 on food I guess but I say I say this is 41 00:02:48,890 --> 00:02:44,970 a night to to celebrate and for our 42 00:02:50,990 --> 00:02:48,900 premiere show we have a darn great guest 43 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:51,000 one of the most interesting fellows that 44 00:02:58,520 --> 00:02:54,810 I've ever met Tom dango down in Sedona 45 00:03:01,729 --> 00:02:58,530 Arizona which is probably the most 46 00:03:05,420 --> 00:03:01,739 mystical place in the United States well 47 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:05,430 Mount Shasta might come close but people 48 00:03:11,300 --> 00:03:08,250 go to Sedona I think 4 million people a 49 00:03:13,699 --> 00:03:11,310 year to him I go to Sedona looking for a 50 00:03:15,830 --> 00:03:13,709 mystical experience 51 00:03:18,530 --> 00:03:15,840 either that or to buy expensive art in 52 00:03:22,119 --> 00:03:18,540 jewelry but whatever and 53 00:03:29,179 --> 00:03:26,559 enchanted from what from what I hear and 54 00:03:31,970 --> 00:03:29,189 I've even had a couple of Timmy you know 55 00:03:33,979 --> 00:03:31,980 I'm big into I guess most of our 56 00:03:36,530 --> 00:03:33,989 listeners are a lot of them it's they've 57 00:03:40,509 --> 00:03:36,540 heard me before another shows know that 58 00:03:44,569 --> 00:03:40,519 I'm very keyed into synchronicities and 59 00:03:47,059 --> 00:03:44,579 coincidence mmm I mean coincidences they 60 00:03:51,849 --> 00:03:47,069 have followed me throughout my life I 61 00:03:55,220 --> 00:03:51,859 believe that someone or something is 62 00:03:59,089 --> 00:03:55,230 directing us or or you know Charles Fort 63 00:03:59,720 --> 00:03:59,099 said that we were like what checker on a 64 00:04:02,119 --> 00:03:59,730 checkerboard 65 00:04:03,979 --> 00:04:02,129 you know chessboard pieces on a chess 66 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:03,989 board right mind that we were under 67 00:04:08,869 --> 00:04:06,090 under somebody's control and I do 68 00:04:11,179 --> 00:04:08,879 believe that now there's a place that 69 00:04:12,830 --> 00:04:11,189 everybody gathers and and I'm sure that 70 00:04:16,370 --> 00:04:12,840 tom has been in there a hundred times 71 00:04:21,069 --> 00:04:16,380 it's called the the coffeepot as you 72 00:04:26,810 --> 00:04:21,079 drive into town there's this roadside 73 00:04:30,730 --> 00:04:26,820 restaurant and everybody everybody stops 74 00:04:33,950 --> 00:04:30,740 off there to chat about their latest UFO 75 00:04:39,500 --> 00:04:33,960 experiences there are celebrities that 76 00:04:41,149 --> 00:04:39,510 pop in from time to time and to me it's 77 00:04:43,159 --> 00:04:41,159 very it's very mystical or there's 78 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:43,169 something very strange about the place 79 00:04:48,710 --> 00:04:45,090 now Tom is gonna tell us in a little 80 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:48,720 while what a vortex is because Sedona is 81 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:52,050 supposed to be loaded with them 82 00:04:58,370 --> 00:04:55,530 and there's a couple nearby this one at 83 00:05:00,020 --> 00:04:58,380 the post office I understand now I know 84 00:05:01,850 --> 00:05:00,030 whether it be important text to the post 85 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:01,860 office and why my mail disappears but 86 00:05:08,180 --> 00:05:03,570 that's another story and then there's 87 00:05:11,779 --> 00:05:08,190 one near the airport in Sedona anyway 88 00:05:14,149 --> 00:05:11,789 one day I'm in the coffee pot with my 89 00:05:15,830 --> 00:05:14,159 friend Charlotte and we are just 90 00:05:17,659 --> 00:05:15,840 finishing up on one of their fabulous 91 00:05:20,330 --> 00:05:17,669 omelets you have something like a 92 00:05:21,890 --> 00:05:20,340 hundred and three choices for your your 93 00:05:24,020 --> 00:05:21,900 omelets some of them very good and some 94 00:05:25,879 --> 00:05:24,030 of them very bizarre but it's a it's a 95 00:05:28,339 --> 00:05:25,889 great place to have a cup of coffee and 96 00:05:32,029 --> 00:05:28,349 to have an omelet and to to chat about 97 00:05:35,450 --> 00:05:32,039 what's you know going on UFO a wise 98 00:05:40,459 --> 00:05:35,460 okay so now I had just spent a couple of 99 00:05:45,619 --> 00:05:40,469 days in Tucson and I was a guest at the 100 00:05:48,769 --> 00:05:45,629 the home of Allen Benz Allen Benz has a 101 00:05:52,010 --> 00:05:48,779 little local UFO group there in Tucson 102 00:05:54,889 --> 00:05:52,020 and he was at one time also the 103 00:05:58,549 --> 00:05:54,899 librarian for the aerial phenomena 104 00:06:03,129 --> 00:05:58,559 research organization a pro now back in 105 00:06:05,899 --> 00:06:03,139 the 1950s and 1960s there were two large 106 00:06:08,329 --> 00:06:05,909 organizations in the United States one 107 00:06:11,110 --> 00:06:08,339 was a pro and the other was NICAP this 108 00:06:13,700 --> 00:06:11,120 was years before MUFON was around now 109 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:13,710 night-cap was the strictly nuts and 110 00:06:19,429 --> 00:06:16,610 bolts you know they went Tim for 111 00:06:22,159 --> 00:06:19,439 sightings by pilots and police officers 112 00:06:23,989 --> 00:06:22,169 they were not at all into the creature 113 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:23,999 sightings which were prominent at the 114 00:06:29,779 --> 00:06:26,490 the time but a pro on the other hand I 115 00:06:32,119 --> 00:06:29,789 took a little bit of broader look at the 116 00:06:34,100 --> 00:06:32,129 UFO phenomena they had a lot of foreign 117 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:34,110 correspondence and they got a lot of 118 00:06:37,670 --> 00:06:35,849 these humanoid EV sightings from around 119 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:37,680 the world in particular South America 120 00:06:46,519 --> 00:06:41,370 but also from France and Italy and and 121 00:06:49,579 --> 00:06:46,529 so forth both night cap and a pro have 122 00:06:52,730 --> 00:06:49,589 long been out of business I think 123 00:06:54,409 --> 00:06:52,740 there's a oh maybe a summer resident on 124 00:06:56,929 --> 00:06:54,419 the internet where somebody is using 125 00:06:59,239 --> 00:06:56,939 their name or something but Jim and Cora 126 00:07:02,989 --> 00:06:59,249 Lorenzen who directed the group for 127 00:07:05,209 --> 00:07:02,999 years long since have passed away anyway 128 00:07:09,529 --> 00:07:05,219 Tom pens who I was visiting with was the 129 00:07:11,389 --> 00:07:09,539 librarian for a pro and we discussed the 130 00:07:15,589 --> 00:07:11,399 history of the group and he told me 131 00:07:17,659 --> 00:07:15,599 about his involvement with the movie 132 00:07:21,649 --> 00:07:17,669 Close Encounters in the beginning they 133 00:07:24,379 --> 00:07:21,659 were actually using him as a source of 134 00:07:25,730 --> 00:07:24,389 information while the project that was 135 00:07:28,969 --> 00:07:25,740 Steven Spielberg was just getting 136 00:07:33,139 --> 00:07:28,979 underway so we drove down to Sharla and 137 00:07:35,389 --> 00:07:33,149 I drove down to Sedona which is probably 138 00:07:37,969 --> 00:07:35,399 about a four or five hour drive through 139 00:07:40,459 --> 00:07:37,979 the beautiful desert and matte red 140 00:07:43,999 --> 00:07:40,469 mountains there and when you enter 141 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:44,009 Sedona and we have a brunch and the 142 00:07:48,700 --> 00:07:45,810 coffee pot the little rest 143 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:48,710 right there and we come out of the 144 00:07:54,260 --> 00:07:51,330 restaurant and we're going to get into 145 00:07:56,780 --> 00:07:54,270 her car and we noticed something very 146 00:08:00,230 --> 00:07:56,790 strange next to us parked in the parking 147 00:08:01,940 --> 00:08:00,240 lot is an automobile and the vanity 148 00:08:06,020 --> 00:08:01,950 license plate or I assume it's a vanity 149 00:08:09,650 --> 00:08:06,030 license plate says a pro on it now why 150 00:08:11,710 --> 00:08:09,660 why why in god's name is there a a car 151 00:08:14,390 --> 00:08:11,720 parked right next to us so the next 152 00:08:14,900 --> 00:08:14,400 stall where you know where you park your 153 00:08:17,060 --> 00:08:14,910 car 154 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:17,070 well that license plate I mean it's just 155 00:08:21,500 --> 00:08:19,290 like totally bizarre first of all the 156 00:08:24,050 --> 00:08:21,510 group unless somebody was following us 157 00:08:26,690 --> 00:08:24,060 and they did it as a some grand cosmic 158 00:08:30,860 --> 00:08:26,700 joke but I've had other things happen in 159 00:08:34,339 --> 00:08:30,870 that locale there in in Sedona so that I 160 00:08:36,589 --> 00:08:34,349 I do know that it is a rather mystical 161 00:08:39,560 --> 00:08:36,599 place but we want to bring in our guests 162 00:08:41,450 --> 00:08:39,570 now Tom you're you're out there in 163 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:41,460 Sedona how's the weather been alive have 164 00:08:48,110 --> 00:08:45,210 you had a hot summer out there yeah yeah 165 00:08:49,910 --> 00:08:48,120 hey Tim and Tim yeah it's been August 166 00:08:51,470 --> 00:08:49,920 has been really hot yeah but now our 167 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:51,480 last couple days are getting fall 168 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:53,610 weather so it's really nice so from now 169 00:08:59,390 --> 00:08:56,610 on will will we should have some nice 170 00:09:02,540 --> 00:08:59,400 cool weather really looking forward to a 171 00:09:05,090 --> 00:09:02,550 good August has been you know around a 172 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:05,100 hundred degrees and we're having we're 173 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:07,770 having a heavy monsoon rain season this 174 00:09:13,610 --> 00:09:10,530 year was just great I mean Sedonas 175 00:09:15,650 --> 00:09:13,620 really greening up but the humidity is 176 00:09:20,870 --> 00:09:15,660 not much as bad as New York you know it 177 00:09:24,100 --> 00:09:20,880 gets that hot in that human well now tom 178 00:09:26,660 --> 00:09:24,110 has been for what 25 years now doing a 179 00:09:29,810 --> 00:09:26,670 tourist Dona he takes the tourists and 180 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:29,820 people who visit down there to key spots 181 00:09:34,850 --> 00:09:32,730 where there is been some I guess a 182 00:09:39,050 --> 00:09:34,860 strange paranormal activity UFO 183 00:09:42,110 --> 00:09:39,060 sightings a vortex areas now when I 184 00:09:45,680 --> 00:09:42,120 first met Tom I was really amazed he had 185 00:09:48,829 --> 00:09:45,690 with him two huge photo albums full of 186 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:48,839 photographs of orbs weird triangles and 187 00:09:55,820 --> 00:09:53,250 a very mysterious weird blue man but I 188 00:09:58,220 --> 00:09:55,830 want to I want to ask Tom at least the 189 00:09:59,510 --> 00:09:58,230 first question what is so mystic I mean 190 00:10:03,260 --> 00:09:59,520 why do all these 191 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:03,270 things happen in Sedona and why 192 00:10:08,630 --> 00:10:05,250 specifically do you think that a lot of 193 00:10:10,700 --> 00:10:08,640 this happens to you well yeah both good 194 00:10:12,790 --> 00:10:10,710 questions I I've been asked that many 195 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:12,800 times when I do lectures around the West 196 00:10:18,470 --> 00:10:16,890 and I you know I'm always saying when 197 00:10:21,830 --> 00:10:18,480 these things happen to me I'm always 198 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:21,840 saying why me you know a little bit I'll 199 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:25,530 tell you about the to the encounters we 200 00:10:31,610 --> 00:10:28,170 have an alien spacecraft in a little bit 201 00:10:34,190 --> 00:10:31,620 but Sedona is it's just an unusual place 202 00:10:36,500 --> 00:10:34,200 I mean I I was thinking about this Matt 203 00:10:39,530 --> 00:10:36,510 this afternoon before you know tonight 204 00:10:40,940 --> 00:10:39,540 before our call was that it's probably 205 00:10:44,510 --> 00:10:40,950 the most mysterious place on the planet 206 00:10:49,700 --> 00:10:44,520 I don't know any other single place this 207 00:10:57,290 --> 00:10:49,710 as strange in a paranormal sense that if 208 00:10:59,780 --> 00:10:57,300 Sedona is what our Tom has unusual 209 00:11:04,820 --> 00:10:59,790 phenomena been around you all of your 210 00:11:07,190 --> 00:11:04,830 life no no that no I you know you know I 211 00:11:11,180 --> 00:11:07,200 got into this I I had a sporting goods 212 00:11:14,150 --> 00:11:11,190 store in Reno back in the early 70s and 213 00:11:16,670 --> 00:11:14,160 I was I was I was out for a walk one day 214 00:11:18,830 --> 00:11:16,680 I used to usually taken took walks on my 215 00:11:22,580 --> 00:11:18,840 lunch hour I was walking down the street 216 00:11:25,940 --> 00:11:22,590 down the side walking in a bear of huge 217 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:25,950 hand grab my shoulders with steering me 218 00:11:30,680 --> 00:11:27,930 down this down the sidewalk I saw this 219 00:11:32,900 --> 00:11:30,690 is pretty weird but I'm you know I'm not 220 00:11:34,940 --> 00:11:32,910 you know I'm okay but I don't see it it 221 00:11:37,970 --> 00:11:34,950 doesn't like being hurt so I you know I 222 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:37,980 kept going so the heat the hands 223 00:11:42,170 --> 00:11:40,290 steered me down the sidewalk turn me 224 00:11:43,010 --> 00:11:42,180 into a parking lot all the way across 225 00:11:45,650 --> 00:11:43,020 the parking lot 226 00:11:47,210 --> 00:11:45,660 there was a bookstore on the other side 227 00:11:49,340 --> 00:11:47,220 of the parking lot I went through the 228 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:49,350 doors I went through the aisles I went 229 00:11:54,500 --> 00:11:51,450 way to the back of the store and hands 230 00:11:56,510 --> 00:11:54,510 bent me over and then tonight and I saw 231 00:11:59,000 --> 00:11:56,520 a book I picked it up and it was Seth 232 00:11:59,840 --> 00:11:59,010 speaks by Jane Roberts and I started the 233 00:12:04,220 --> 00:11:59,850 whole thing 234 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:04,230 ah that's that's that's what got you 235 00:12:09,230 --> 00:12:06,330 started huh that's no no that's that's 236 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:09,240 really interesting because you know 237 00:12:14,940 --> 00:12:12,370 there are a lot of people who are 238 00:12:17,550 --> 00:12:14,950 the nuts-and-bolts sides of UFOs that 239 00:12:19,650 --> 00:12:17,560 UFOs are strictly spaceships from 240 00:12:24,570 --> 00:12:19,660 another planet and then there are people 241 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:24,580 who think that possibly a lot of UFOs 242 00:12:31,530 --> 00:12:27,490 and and the associated beans with them 243 00:12:34,560 --> 00:12:31,540 tend to be more along the the paranormal 244 00:12:36,660 --> 00:12:34,570 realm and I think that a lot of things 245 00:12:39,210 --> 00:12:36,670 that seem to happen out there in Sedona 246 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:39,220 seems to show that you you've got kind 247 00:12:42,900 --> 00:12:41,170 of like an interesting mixture I mean 248 00:12:45,570 --> 00:12:42,910 you know you have these unusual UFO 249 00:12:48,300 --> 00:12:45,580 sightings that are also associated with 250 00:12:52,290 --> 00:12:48,310 some extremely unusual paranormal 251 00:12:54,660 --> 00:12:52,300 phenomena yeah well you know I'm without 252 00:12:56,250 --> 00:12:54,670 a doubt the world expert on Sedona and 253 00:12:57,690 --> 00:12:56,260 the paranormal stuff that happens here 254 00:13:01,410 --> 00:12:57,700 you know I've written seven books about 255 00:13:03,510 --> 00:13:01,420 it and the more I the more I longer I'm 256 00:13:06,780 --> 00:13:03,520 here the more confused I get I just I 257 00:13:11,130 --> 00:13:06,790 really can't figure out what you know I 258 00:13:13,620 --> 00:13:11,140 can't put a finger on anything it it's 259 00:13:15,870 --> 00:13:13,630 just a high strangeness it just keeps 260 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:15,880 going and going and going and it's been 261 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:17,290 you know it's been a fascinating study 262 00:13:23,730 --> 00:13:18,970 and I've been doing this for you know 263 00:13:25,620 --> 00:13:23,740 for oh I've been here 20 27 years now so 264 00:13:27,570 --> 00:13:25,630 it really started when I first got here 265 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:27,580 I heard all these weird stories you know 266 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:29,770 about people having UFO experiences and 267 00:13:35,190 --> 00:13:32,170 the alien experiences and just magical 268 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:35,200 stuff I mean just sheer magic so I 269 00:13:40,079 --> 00:13:38,170 started digging into it and you know I 270 00:13:43,650 --> 00:13:40,089 wrote one book then another another or 271 00:13:45,090 --> 00:13:43,660 another and it's gone from there now 272 00:13:47,940 --> 00:13:45,100 what are the books that you did is 273 00:13:50,610 --> 00:13:47,950 called the unseen beings and unseen 274 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:50,620 worlds I want to talk of course about 275 00:13:55,890 --> 00:13:53,530 the blue man but I think before we do 276 00:13:59,340 --> 00:13:55,900 that why don't you tell us a little bit 277 00:14:01,350 --> 00:13:59,350 about the strangest here the atmosphere 278 00:14:04,020 --> 00:14:01,360 of Sedona and what is it all about this 279 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:04,030 vortex thing I mean what exactly is a 280 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:06,490 vortex is it something you you you walk 281 00:14:11,850 --> 00:14:09,130 you know with through something and 282 00:14:14,010 --> 00:14:11,860 you're in another dimension or are UFOs 283 00:14:15,540 --> 00:14:14,020 coming through these vortexes or or what 284 00:14:17,250 --> 00:14:15,550 is that all about I mean every time I'm 285 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:17,260 there I hear about vortex this vortex 286 00:14:22,980 --> 00:14:21,250 that you know the first two years I was 287 00:14:26,430 --> 00:14:22,990 in Sedona I mean I made 288 00:14:29,579 --> 00:14:26,440 doing vortex tours in I can't define it 289 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:29,589 for vortex except that they're real you 290 00:14:35,690 --> 00:14:31,570 know I I had the opportunity of watching 291 00:14:38,190 --> 00:14:35,700 people hundreds of people on my tours 292 00:14:40,230 --> 00:14:38,200 because you can feel the energy you know 293 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:40,240 you're walking into it but what it is I 294 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:42,130 mean you you you hang around here in 295 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:44,170 Sedona there's a hundred deaf different 296 00:14:48,150 --> 00:14:45,970 definitions for a vortex and probably 297 00:14:50,100 --> 00:14:48,160 none of them was right but they do 298 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:50,110 they're real and they do affect people 299 00:14:56,910 --> 00:14:53,170 and I've only seen one physical healing 300 00:15:01,170 --> 00:14:56,920 but I've seen I've seen a hundred mental 301 00:15:03,449 --> 00:15:01,180 healing someone have you know emotional 302 00:15:06,420 --> 00:15:03,459 problems or whatever and after being 303 00:15:08,850 --> 00:15:06,430 million of these vortexes they got 304 00:15:10,590 --> 00:15:08,860 better and there's you know there's four 305 00:15:12,449 --> 00:15:10,600 or five popular ones but there's really 306 00:15:16,410 --> 00:15:12,459 hundreds of vortexes if you go back in 307 00:15:18,300 --> 00:15:16,420 the canyons I know some way way back in 308 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:18,310 the canyons are way more powerful than 309 00:15:24,660 --> 00:15:21,730 the airport cortex or the cathedral 310 00:15:26,220 --> 00:15:24,670 vortex or you know or the other so 311 00:15:27,900 --> 00:15:26,230 there's there's hundreds of them here 312 00:15:29,430 --> 00:15:27,910 and when you get close to them you can 313 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:29,440 feel em they get more intense and more 314 00:15:35,190 --> 00:15:32,770 intense if they're really powerful now 315 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:35,200 would you say that this is where the 316 00:15:41,340 --> 00:15:37,690 bulk the majority of the UFO sightings 317 00:15:43,230 --> 00:15:41,350 have taken place no they probably have 318 00:15:46,380 --> 00:15:43,240 very little to do it with the the 319 00:15:50,460 --> 00:15:46,390 vortexes but you mentioned are portals 320 00:15:52,170 --> 00:15:50,470 you know interdimensional portals like I 321 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:52,180 think that probably has something to do 322 00:15:59,940 --> 00:15:54,130 with it but that's different girls do 323 00:16:01,530 --> 00:15:59,950 into the vortex yeah yeah well that's 324 00:16:03,540 --> 00:16:01,540 like a portal it's like a poor looks 325 00:16:08,970 --> 00:16:03,550 like a window it opens in a vortex of 326 00:16:10,590 --> 00:16:08,980 energy it just it's just there so you 327 00:16:12,930 --> 00:16:10,600 know under that on a branch or ranch I'm 328 00:16:15,449 --> 00:16:12,940 sure would get to that but the one that 329 00:16:17,250 --> 00:16:15,459 big portal on the ranch our ranch it 330 00:16:20,430 --> 00:16:17,260 would you could literally feel the thing 331 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:20,440 open in beings and what can't come 332 00:16:23,340 --> 00:16:21,730 through it and you could actually feel 333 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:23,350 them they're like being in the world New 334 00:16:28,829 --> 00:16:25,170 York City with people walking around you 335 00:16:31,079 --> 00:16:28,839 except she couldn't see him now what 336 00:16:33,900 --> 00:16:31,089 sort ok I know that there have been 337 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:33,910 several different types of UFOs that 338 00:16:39,300 --> 00:16:36,250 have been a prominent in 339 00:16:42,030 --> 00:16:39,310 Sedona how many sightings have you had 340 00:16:45,930 --> 00:16:42,040 in what are the most prominent types of 341 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:45,940 objects that have been observed well you 342 00:16:52,380 --> 00:16:47,530 know last couple years it's been it's 343 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:52,390 been large spheres of light and about a 344 00:16:58,230 --> 00:16:55,930 month ago in two o'clock in the 345 00:17:03,180 --> 00:16:58,240 afternoon and uptown Sedona some people 346 00:17:06,750 --> 00:17:03,190 told me that a triangular-shaped ship 347 00:17:10,290 --> 00:17:06,760 about a half a mile across flew over the 348 00:17:13,590 --> 00:17:10,300 Colorado Plateau the Mogollon Rim which 349 00:17:16,050 --> 00:17:13,600 is 2,000 feet above Sedona and then flew 350 00:17:17,310 --> 00:17:16,060 right over Sedona and it was in broad 351 00:17:19,050 --> 00:17:17,320 daylight two o'clock in the afternoon 352 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:19,060 they said this thing was at least a half 353 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:22,570 a mile across so it's stuff like that 354 00:17:29,610 --> 00:17:26,250 and no I mean are we talking about 355 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:29,620 physical solid chefs I mean if you threw 356 00:17:33,270 --> 00:17:31,690 a rock at it would it would it sound so 357 00:17:36,300 --> 00:17:33,280 off or are we gonna put our hand through 358 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:36,310 it yeah no this is solid they said this 359 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:38,650 was this was a craft I mean you know hey 360 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:43,050 solid metallic or whatever craft it was 361 00:17:49,350 --> 00:17:45,490 you know and it was it wasn't flying 362 00:17:52,020 --> 00:17:49,360 very fast and I don't know I didn't have 363 00:17:55,140 --> 00:17:52,030 a chance to talk to them too much but 364 00:17:57,570 --> 00:17:55,150 they they they they're for people they 365 00:18:01,620 --> 00:17:57,580 saw it and I you know I really don't 366 00:18:03,780 --> 00:18:01,630 have the time to go going around chasing 367 00:18:05,070 --> 00:18:03,790 around and interviewing people all over 368 00:18:06,990 --> 00:18:05,080 the place I just I have the time and the 369 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:07,000 money to do it but I'm sure there are 370 00:18:12,300 --> 00:18:09,210 other people that saw it too but the 371 00:18:13,890 --> 00:18:12,310 local newspaper here in town I joked 372 00:18:16,380 --> 00:18:13,900 often that you could you could drag a 373 00:18:20,420 --> 00:18:16,390 UFO behind a pickup through downtown and 374 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:25,650 I've heard that time and time again you 375 00:18:31,410 --> 00:18:27,490 could you could take the reporters right 376 00:18:32,940 --> 00:18:31,420 out to the to a landed ship with the the 377 00:18:35,370 --> 00:18:32,950 creatures coming out and shake their 378 00:18:38,270 --> 00:18:35,380 hands and the front page would be a 379 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:38,280 story about the the bake sale at school 380 00:18:44,010 --> 00:18:41,530 well you know about ten years ago I was 381 00:18:45,540 --> 00:18:44,020 invited to an interview that the the 382 00:18:48,310 --> 00:18:45,550 newspaper wanted to interview me and I 383 00:18:50,740 --> 00:18:48,320 said really I mean this is pretty 384 00:18:52,810 --> 00:18:50,750 pretty uh pretty experience I thought I 385 00:18:54,549 --> 00:18:52,820 call the guy and I said you sure you 386 00:18:55,180 --> 00:18:54,559 sure you want to do this because I know 387 00:18:59,350 --> 00:18:55,190 the past 388 00:19:01,690 --> 00:18:59,360 anyway so I met him at the coffee shop 389 00:19:05,950 --> 00:19:01,700 and we were sitting there talking and I 390 00:19:07,060 --> 00:19:05,960 said you know you concerned you might 391 00:19:09,249 --> 00:19:07,070 get fired for this 392 00:19:11,830 --> 00:19:09,259 he needs to know I know buddy can fire 393 00:19:15,370 --> 00:19:11,840 me I'm the boss so they ended up doing 394 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:15,380 almost a full page story on me about the 395 00:19:18,700 --> 00:19:17,090 UFO stuff around here and then two weeks 396 00:19:25,509 --> 00:19:18,710 later he resigned and went into a 397 00:19:27,159 --> 00:19:25,519 business of his own he didn't have any 398 00:19:34,899 --> 00:19:27,169 reason to be afraid he knew he was 399 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:34,909 leaving okay so you described to us a 400 00:19:42,519 --> 00:19:38,570 very physical craft a very large one but 401 00:19:45,669 --> 00:19:42,529 we are talking to to some degree maybe a 402 00:19:48,129 --> 00:19:45,679 large degree about paranormal phenomena 403 00:19:51,490 --> 00:19:48,139 right I mean some of these UFOs do seem 404 00:19:54,310 --> 00:19:51,500 to be interdimensional or translucent or 405 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:54,320 transparent or transporters or or 406 00:19:57,369 --> 00:19:55,250 something 407 00:20:00,399 --> 00:19:57,379 more bizarre than just coming here from 408 00:20:03,159 --> 00:20:00,409 some other some other solar system or 409 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:03,169 galaxy well I'm convinced they're coming 410 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:04,970 from other dimensions not other planets 411 00:20:10,930 --> 00:20:08,090 I'm right as many times you know I've 412 00:20:12,999 --> 00:20:10,940 been out hundreds of times I go after 413 00:20:15,389 --> 00:20:13,009 these things out sit in an armchair and 414 00:20:21,490 --> 00:20:15,399 read it read about it record it and 415 00:20:23,740 --> 00:20:21,500 whatever I go after these things and so 416 00:20:25,269 --> 00:20:23,750 I'm convinced from what I've seen that 417 00:20:27,970 --> 00:20:25,279 these things are coming out of another 418 00:20:32,590 --> 00:20:27,980 dimension about two or five years ago I 419 00:20:36,159 --> 00:20:32,600 had six people on a tour and we were 420 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:36,169 coming back to Sedona about ten o'clock 421 00:20:43,990 --> 00:20:39,250 at night it was pretty dark anyway and 422 00:20:45,580 --> 00:20:44,000 we were all talking away and the boy the 423 00:20:48,610 --> 00:20:45,590 man son was sitting in those in the 424 00:20:50,830 --> 00:20:48,620 passenger side seat beside me and he 425 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:50,840 said look look look you know otherwise 426 00:20:55,690 --> 00:20:52,129 we wouldn't have seen this thing so we 427 00:20:58,539 --> 00:20:55,700 got out we started coming and it was 428 00:21:00,140 --> 00:20:58,549 some kind of a craft it was orange you 429 00:21:02,330 --> 00:21:00,150 know I've seen 430 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:02,340 I'll tell you about the really big ones 431 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:04,530 we had a few months ago and these are 432 00:21:09,140 --> 00:21:06,330 all orange the ones just a few months 433 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:09,150 ago but at any rate so this thing just 434 00:21:14,300 --> 00:21:11,850 cleared the top of the band and it was 435 00:21:17,660 --> 00:21:14,310 about 30 feet across and it was all 436 00:21:19,850 --> 00:21:17,670 orange and it had three orange rings and 437 00:21:23,120 --> 00:21:19,860 it floated like a feather it didn't make 438 00:21:25,070 --> 00:21:23,130 a sound and the thing obviously wanted 439 00:21:28,670 --> 00:21:25,080 us to see it because it came so close 440 00:21:31,940 --> 00:21:28,680 and then it it kept going down towards 441 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:31,950 Cottonwood which is about 90 miles south 442 00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:36,810 of Sudan oh and he went all the way down 443 00:21:42,020 --> 00:21:39,840 to Cottonwood and went straight up about 444 00:21:45,110 --> 00:21:42,030 2,000 feet in the sky and it turned a 445 00:21:48,830 --> 00:21:45,120 brilliant white as it was going up and 446 00:21:50,990 --> 00:21:48,840 then it's uh it came down by then we had 447 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:51,000 a canvas oh yeah all the camera 448 00:21:55,970 --> 00:21:53,250 equipment all the camera equipment of 449 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:55,980 course put away so by then we had the 450 00:22:00,740 --> 00:21:57,690 cameras out my video take the thing 451 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:00,750 coming back down and it landed you can 452 00:22:05,210 --> 00:22:03,330 see a landing in the trees above Carla 453 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:05,220 and I think I don't think that's 454 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:07,770 abandoned I think it's shot off on the 455 00:22:14,750 --> 00:22:09,930 ridge below the trees where we couldn't 456 00:22:17,180 --> 00:22:14,760 really see it that so I've seen probably 457 00:22:19,460 --> 00:22:17,190 500 things like that you know in the 458 00:22:21,260 --> 00:22:19,470 last 25 years and some of them are 459 00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:21,270 unless you unless you were they are 460 00:22:25,130 --> 00:22:23,760 standing beside me you you couldn't 461 00:22:28,030 --> 00:22:25,140 believe it there is most of things I've 462 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:28,040 written about in my book I had witnesses 463 00:22:33,610 --> 00:22:30,570 know one of your books that I was just 464 00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:33,620 going through the other day is called 465 00:22:39,620 --> 00:22:36,240 merging dimensions the opening and 466 00:22:42,340 --> 00:22:39,630 portals of Sedona and we've got it we've 467 00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:42,350 got a lot of territory to cover here 468 00:22:47,930 --> 00:22:44,880 this evening but I know we're coming up 469 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:47,940 in a in a minute or so for a break so I 470 00:22:54,500 --> 00:22:51,210 hesitate to go into something is totally 471 00:22:58,190 --> 00:22:54,510 bizarre as the Miss mystifying blue man 472 00:23:01,280 --> 00:22:58,200 and the weird synchronicities that take 473 00:23:03,500 --> 00:23:01,290 place there and of course the Bradshaw 474 00:23:04,970 --> 00:23:03,510 ranch so that's it 475 00:23:06,890 --> 00:23:04,980 Tim I just said I want to make a comment 476 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:06,900 here real quick before we do go to our 477 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:09,330 break you know he mentioned that the UFO 478 00:23:13,340 --> 00:23:11,610 that went over his car he said it 479 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:13,350 floated like a feather and I 480 00:23:18,740 --> 00:23:16,770 heard that before a lot of times with 481 00:23:21,770 --> 00:23:18,750 people who see like the the giant black 482 00:23:24,799 --> 00:23:21,780 triangles and they say that the craft 483 00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:24,809 though they don't seem to fly overhead 484 00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:29,760 they did they seem to float and and I 485 00:23:41,900 --> 00:23:34,080 know we hear people describe the falling 486 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:41,910 leaf motion I know that Paul Davies 487 00:23:47,149 --> 00:23:45,330 who's been on our show before his first 488 00:23:48,890 --> 00:23:47,159 sighting was one of a kind of an object 489 00:23:51,340 --> 00:23:48,900 it had some sort of floating leaf motion 490 00:23:54,860 --> 00:23:51,350 but I believe we're due for a break and 491 00:23:58,310 --> 00:23:54,870 we should we should be back now back to 492 00:24:00,350 --> 00:23:58,320 exploring the bizarre with two of the 493 00:24:03,770 --> 00:24:00,360 most electrifying researchers in the 494 00:24:10,490 --> 00:24:03,780 Paranoid your hosts timothy beckoning 495 00:24:12,350 --> 00:24:10,500 and chase lists all right we are back 496 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:12,360 with explore in the bizarre I'm Tim 497 00:24:19,820 --> 00:24:15,210 Schwartz with Tim Beckley and our guest 498 00:24:23,659 --> 00:24:19,830 tonight is Tom dango now Tom um out of 499 00:24:26,060 --> 00:24:23,669 all the pictures that you have taken the 500 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:26,070 one I think that fascinates me the most 501 00:24:31,909 --> 00:24:30,570 is the picture of the blue man and you 502 00:24:35,870 --> 00:24:31,919 ought to talk about that a little bit 503 00:24:39,230 --> 00:24:35,880 with us I mean it's just it it's such a 504 00:24:41,090 --> 00:24:39,240 clear picture that I just I I really 505 00:24:43,510 --> 00:24:41,100 find it hard to believe that you did not 506 00:24:46,490 --> 00:24:43,520 see anybody around you when it was taken 507 00:24:50,330 --> 00:24:46,500 well you know Linda Bradshaw and I used 508 00:24:52,010 --> 00:24:50,340 to we I when I first moved to Sedona 509 00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:52,020 I'm digging some books out here right 510 00:24:58,399 --> 00:24:56,400 now we heard about the Bradshaw ranch 511 00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:58,409 and I heard about some of the strange 512 00:25:01,940 --> 00:25:00,000 stuff that was going on out there and I 513 00:25:03,980 --> 00:25:01,950 didn't know the ranch I was I was just 514 00:25:06,740 --> 00:25:03,990 dying to go out there so one day I got a 515 00:25:08,419 --> 00:25:06,750 letter from Linda she said I've been 516 00:25:10,130 --> 00:25:08,429 getting some strange photographs out 517 00:25:12,980 --> 00:25:10,140 here and would you come out to the ranch 518 00:25:15,289 --> 00:25:12,990 and I was thrilled so that started four 519 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:15,299 years of research almost every night 520 00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:16,890 with Linda Bradshaw out there on the 521 00:25:22,060 --> 00:25:20,130 ranch so what we would do that's 522 00:25:25,940 --> 00:25:22,070 actually you know I want to mention that 523 00:25:27,150 --> 00:25:25,950 Linda Linda Bradshaw in on a branch or a 524 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:27,160 and Linda crystal 525 00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:30,610 New York or photography started with 526 00:25:35,340 --> 00:25:33,120 with both of them at the same time 527 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:35,350 because when the crystalline and when 528 00:25:39,420 --> 00:25:37,570 the Bradshaw beginning they fire they 529 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:39,430 know they got the first orb photographs 530 00:25:43,950 --> 00:25:42,490 anyway I went out to look at the she 531 00:25:45,900 --> 00:25:43,960 showed me the orb photographs they were 532 00:25:50,220 --> 00:25:45,910 getting around the around the house and 533 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:50,230 so we we started to we would walk around 534 00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:52,330 at night and just burn up film classic 535 00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:54,400 flash pictures around with 35 millimeter 536 00:25:59,760 --> 00:25:57,730 cameras and and then develop the film 537 00:26:01,980 --> 00:25:59,770 and I stay and see what was she was arms 538 00:26:04,830 --> 00:26:01,990 and that's how he got some of our best 539 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:04,840 stuff and the night that the I'm looking 540 00:26:09,450 --> 00:26:07,810 at it right now the night that we lit 541 00:26:12,060 --> 00:26:09,460 Linda took the one of the blue haired 542 00:26:14,550 --> 00:26:12,070 man she and I was standing together and 543 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:14,560 we were just casually taking flash 544 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:18,490 photographs around us you know and so 545 00:26:26,850 --> 00:26:23,530 the next day disappeared aa on one of 546 00:26:29,730 --> 00:26:26,860 her prints or negatives and I've had 547 00:26:32,100 --> 00:26:29,740 some of the world experts and doctors 548 00:26:34,350 --> 00:26:32,110 and scientists and what was in everybody 549 00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:34,360 has a suggestion about this thing the 550 00:26:38,370 --> 00:26:36,400 Japanese film crew is looking at at one 551 00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:38,380 time in Easton a snow one guy said you 552 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:40,240 know this there's no I I mean you can't 553 00:26:46,620 --> 00:26:43,810 do you take a normal human you know Pro 554 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:46,630 you know side view of him like that the 555 00:26:52,410 --> 00:26:49,570 eye bulges out you know you know the 556 00:26:55,020 --> 00:26:52,420 ears differently is blue here and 557 00:26:59,370 --> 00:26:55,030 there's no I'm there's no eyebrow and so 558 00:27:01,140 --> 00:26:59,380 it's any rate this guy was right in 559 00:27:02,580 --> 00:27:01,150 front of Lin and I and we didn't see him 560 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:02,590 we couldn't see him and that's how we 561 00:27:08,370 --> 00:27:06,850 got most of our photographs we didn't 562 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:08,380 see anything but the next day it showed 563 00:27:13,710 --> 00:27:10,930 up on the film yeah that's you know 564 00:27:16,170 --> 00:27:13,720 that's part of the whole thing well now 565 00:27:19,770 --> 00:27:16,180 who do you think you photographed I mean 566 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:19,780 is this somebody from another dimension 567 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:22,810 or is it somebody who's is there some 568 00:27:27,510 --> 00:27:25,210 unseen race of beings that we don't 569 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:27,520 normally see like we have these objects 570 00:27:31,410 --> 00:27:29,530 that have been called the rods that 571 00:27:35,330 --> 00:27:31,420 seemed to show up from time to time on 572 00:27:37,070 --> 00:27:35,340 the photographs but yet nobody saw them 573 00:27:39,169 --> 00:27:37,080 when they were apparently you know in 574 00:27:41,180 --> 00:27:39,179 front of the camera or passing by or 575 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:41,190 whatever what what are we to make out of 576 00:27:47,299 --> 00:27:44,850 this well you know I wish I knew you 577 00:27:49,730 --> 00:27:47,309 know talking about the rods just for a 578 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:49,740 second you know I'm considered a real 579 00:27:53,779 --> 00:27:51,210 and if I'm convinced they're real 580 00:27:55,639 --> 00:27:53,789 because when when Jose asking me I was 581 00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:55,649 taking photographs in that cave that 582 00:27:59,690 --> 00:27:57,360 vertical cave it makes it go to the one 583 00:28:01,820 --> 00:27:59,700 slowed down and you know right in front 584 00:28:03,409 --> 00:28:01,830 of his camera so that hit but you know 585 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:03,419 Kristen was a woman in New York that 586 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:06,570 took the all the photographs with a bug 587 00:28:10,639 --> 00:28:08,730 flying around the you know uh a 588 00:28:13,999 --> 00:28:10,649 streetlight and it killed the whole 589 00:28:16,489 --> 00:28:14,009 thing right there but I'm really it's 590 00:28:20,299 --> 00:28:16,499 unfortunate that the study of rods 591 00:28:23,869 --> 00:28:20,309 didn't continue but at any rate the blue 592 00:28:26,509 --> 00:28:23,879 haired man I don't know as far as I'm 593 00:28:30,379 --> 00:28:26,519 convinced these were these people are 594 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:30,389 coming through portals and in the in 595 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:33,330 this case he wanted us to get it to take 596 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:35,610 his photographs and often we don't get a 597 00:28:41,690 --> 00:28:38,610 piece of them you know the shoulder the 598 00:28:43,489 --> 00:28:41,700 back of the head or it was in one case I 599 00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:43,499 there was a man standing in front of me 600 00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:48,240 so close that it was you know the focal 601 00:28:52,609 --> 00:28:49,440 length the cam was two-and-a-half feet 602 00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:52,619 he was closer than that and an old man 603 00:28:57,649 --> 00:28:54,720 with white hair and with bumps on his 604 00:28:59,299 --> 00:28:57,659 forehead and I didn't see him I've got 605 00:29:00,830 --> 00:28:59,309 the unit you can see the grass in the 606 00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:00,840 background and all that sort of thing 607 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:04,799 and you know we got we actually got 608 00:29:07,730 --> 00:29:06,330 hundreds of photographs like that that 609 00:29:10,220 --> 00:29:07,740 are you know pretty much unexplained 610 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:10,230 well we we don't we don't know where 611 00:29:13,249 --> 00:29:11,850 they came from but we were convinced 612 00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:13,259 that we were in the middle of something 613 00:29:17,629 --> 00:29:15,809 but we didn't know what well you know I 614 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:17,639 just the last couple of weeks I just 615 00:29:24,739 --> 00:29:21,210 finished up a book on the Davenport 616 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:24,749 brothers who were either the the best of 617 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:26,490 and mediums of all time or the biggest 618 00:29:32,749 --> 00:29:29,490 frauds but you know but I make a 619 00:29:35,119 --> 00:29:32,759 comparison to a lot of the phenomena 620 00:29:37,639 --> 00:29:35,129 that took place during séances and take 621 00:29:41,299 --> 00:29:37,649 place in haunted houses and and compare 622 00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:41,309 that to the to the UFOs because here we 623 00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:43,289 have a whole I didn't a library on 624 00:29:48,890 --> 00:29:45,360 hundreds if not thousands of photographs 625 00:29:51,410 --> 00:29:48,900 of spirits forming you know 626 00:29:54,260 --> 00:29:51,420 of ectoplasm and and beings forming out 627 00:29:56,450 --> 00:29:54,270 of Sydney are now of course a good 628 00:29:59,210 --> 00:29:56,460 portion of them if not the majority are 629 00:30:01,310 --> 00:29:59,220 probably a terrible hoaxes that you can 630 00:30:03,790 --> 00:30:01,320 probably tell by looking at the photos 631 00:30:06,770 --> 00:30:03,800 but there is such a similarity between 632 00:30:08,990 --> 00:30:06,780 the UFO phenomena and what has happened 633 00:30:11,630 --> 00:30:09,000 in the past but we just called it by a 634 00:30:14,420 --> 00:30:11,640 different name I mean we assumed that 635 00:30:15,890 --> 00:30:14,430 these were a spirits you know coming 636 00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:15,900 through because somebody said it was 637 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:18,480 their you know aunt Tilly or something 638 00:30:23,300 --> 00:30:21,450 and they believe that but there's no 639 00:30:25,220 --> 00:30:23,310 necessary you know no reason really to 640 00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:25,230 do that now do these beings ever 641 00:30:32,510 --> 00:30:26,880 actually communicate I mean do they 642 00:30:35,180 --> 00:30:32,520 leave messages or say anything not with 643 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:35,190 me I try I tried to communicate with him 644 00:30:40,070 --> 00:30:38,850 I've had three or four extraterrestrial 645 00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:40,080 experiences but I didn't know they were 646 00:30:46,810 --> 00:30:43,440 answer travels until they were gone I've 647 00:30:49,700 --> 00:30:46,820 written about in my books and on my blog 648 00:30:51,230 --> 00:30:49,710 but you know I we were I was in a group 649 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:51,240 one time that we were talking about this 650 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:53,370 can anybody explain this this stuff you 651 00:30:57,470 --> 00:30:55,410 know and in this kind come out of 652 00:31:00,380 --> 00:30:57,480 nowhere he says he says you know they 653 00:31:02,780 --> 00:31:00,390 probably all park their their their cars 654 00:31:05,210 --> 00:31:02,790 in the same garage and I thought you 655 00:31:06,980 --> 00:31:05,220 know that made great sense all this 656 00:31:09,890 --> 00:31:06,990 phenomenon the week we can't explain 657 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:09,900 maybe it's all it's all intertwined you 658 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:11,970 know it's all basically coming from the 659 00:31:17,030 --> 00:31:15,090 same floor well we'll see now I I think 660 00:31:19,790 --> 00:31:17,040 that one of the ways that they 661 00:31:22,010 --> 00:31:19,800 communicate is through this you know 662 00:31:23,900 --> 00:31:22,020 synchronicities there's the this 663 00:31:26,810 --> 00:31:23,910 coincidence that there's somebody doing 664 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:26,820 this but maybe they can't talk verbally 665 00:31:32,990 --> 00:31:28,770 to us or maybe they just want to tease 666 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:33,000 us with a with a a crop circle here or 667 00:31:38,210 --> 00:31:35,490 there now one of the other strange 668 00:31:43,030 --> 00:31:38,220 synchronicities that I had in Sedona 669 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:43,040 again took place right outside of the 670 00:31:50,300 --> 00:31:46,530 coffee pot now it wouldn't exactly call 671 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:50,310 that an ashram but it seems for me that 672 00:31:55,610 --> 00:31:53,250 it acts that way well you know everybody 673 00:31:59,510 --> 00:31:55,620 was waiting for the end of the the world 674 00:32:00,200 --> 00:31:59,520 with the 2012 the phenomenon the Mayans 675 00:32:05,180 --> 00:32:00,210 calendar was 676 00:32:06,890 --> 00:32:05,190 was at an end and so all this stuff was 677 00:32:09,530 --> 00:32:06,900 going to transpire and I don't know the 678 00:32:11,810 --> 00:32:09,540 world would be coming in in rubble again 679 00:32:13,700 --> 00:32:11,820 I don't know if people went that far but 680 00:32:18,380 --> 00:32:13,710 yeah there were gonna be catechisms and 681 00:32:20,450 --> 00:32:18,390 and a great upheavals and and we would 682 00:32:22,730 --> 00:32:20,460 all go into some higher dimension or 683 00:32:25,970 --> 00:32:22,740 fall from grace or get the sudden that I 684 00:32:29,050 --> 00:32:25,980 don't know jump off a rock into a vortex 685 00:32:32,990 --> 00:32:29,060 oh yeah well I was gonna be kind and not 686 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:33,000 great the Godman me not me not the leap 687 00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:36,450 of the great leap of faith but okay so I 688 00:32:40,250 --> 00:32:38,880 I had been in the the coffeepot again 689 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:40,260 with the Charlotte maybe she's the 690 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:42,810 mystical magnet as far as I know because 691 00:32:46,540 --> 00:32:44,490 she always seems to have something you 692 00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:46,550 know that's transpiring at a nearby 693 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:49,440 anyway I just had paid as a gentleman 694 00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:52,290 should I paid for brunch and I probably 695 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:54,960 had the spaghetti alla vom Latour 696 00:32:58,970 --> 00:32:56,850 something like that you know we tried 697 00:33:00,830 --> 00:32:58,980 number at 98 after going through the 698 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:00,840 usual ham and cheese or bacon and Swiss 699 00:33:06,860 --> 00:33:04,650 or something like that and I I paid for 700 00:33:08,930 --> 00:33:06,870 with a credit card and I'm putting the 701 00:33:13,790 --> 00:33:08,940 receipt in my pocket and I happen to 702 00:33:16,490 --> 00:33:13,800 look at the receipt and the the bill and 703 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:16,500 the tax without the tip and this can 704 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:18,210 this was a cash register receipt it was 705 00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:20,610 not written by hand the total amount was 706 00:33:27,380 --> 00:33:24,960 2012 now what is the chance you're 707 00:33:28,970 --> 00:33:27,390 within a half a mile of Cathedral Rock a 708 00:33:32,150 --> 00:33:28,980 people are lining up on the highway 709 00:33:34,580 --> 00:33:32,160 waiting for you know some great 710 00:33:37,730 --> 00:33:34,590 revelation and I get the twenty twelve 711 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:37,740 receipt I mean how could you can't 712 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:40,370 program that into the Contra sir 713 00:33:45,410 --> 00:33:43,530 something has to be behind that and I 714 00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:45,420 could go on and on and on and I'm sure 715 00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:48,720 that I will over the course of the the 716 00:33:53,420 --> 00:33:50,640 the the program the various programs 717 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:53,430 that we have planned in fact we have a 718 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:54,930 show coming up in a couple of weeks and 719 00:33:58,550 --> 00:33:56,610 it's going to be with the gentleman who 720 00:34:00,650 --> 00:33:58,560 has just done a movie that's been 721 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:00,660 released on synchronicity so this is 722 00:34:05,180 --> 00:34:03,050 getting a little bit more broader 723 00:34:07,250 --> 00:34:05,190 focused we were thinking as 724 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:07,260 synchronicities only in the context of 725 00:34:12,860 --> 00:34:10,770 what Carl Jung had said but that's not 726 00:34:13,550 --> 00:34:12,870 really synchronicity is not not the kind 727 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:13,560 of 728 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:16,770 I have minor like deep-rooted but we 729 00:34:21,260 --> 00:34:18,810 don't want to take away from Tom but 730 00:34:23,630 --> 00:34:21,270 let's get back to the the Bradshaw ranch 731 00:34:27,710 --> 00:34:23,640 what was going on there now we have a 732 00:34:29,720 --> 00:34:27,720 ranch in Utah which is called the 733 00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:29,730 skinwalker ranch where they have all 734 00:34:34,070 --> 00:34:31,440 these weird phenomenon lights going on 735 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:34,080 and often and creatures appearing and 736 00:34:43,340 --> 00:34:37,650 and and all sorts of weird things in 737 00:34:45,230 --> 00:34:43,350 fact George Natalie yeah mm-hmm yeah the 738 00:34:47,020 --> 00:34:45,240 skinwalker it's a big difference between 739 00:34:48,890 --> 00:34:47,030 the ranch I raise the skinwalker ranch 740 00:34:50,810 --> 00:34:48,900 the stuff that happened on the 741 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:50,820 skinwalker ranch was bad and the stuff 742 00:34:58,090 --> 00:34:52,410 that happened on the Bradshaw ranch was 743 00:34:59,840 --> 00:34:58,100 good so it's actually popular dalek 744 00:35:03,500 --> 00:34:59,850 incredible stuff that went on the 745 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:03,510 Bradshaw actually Linda and I talked 746 00:35:07,580 --> 00:35:06,090 about several times he says these things 747 00:35:09,590 --> 00:35:07,590 would kill us anytime they want to 748 00:35:13,340 --> 00:35:09,600 wanted to or hurt us and we would never 749 00:35:15,110 --> 00:35:13,350 hurt we had people from all over the 750 00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:15,120 world out there that wanted to come and 751 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:17,040 you know channels and news news people 752 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:19,410 and we have I think we had ten major 753 00:35:24,650 --> 00:35:21,930 film crews out there from the big net 754 00:35:27,260 --> 00:35:24,660 the network's and they just want to see 755 00:35:31,700 --> 00:35:27,270 for themselves and some of them got some 756 00:35:34,070 --> 00:35:31,710 awesome footage but it it went on for 757 00:35:40,010 --> 00:35:34,080 about five years and when Linda left she 758 00:35:42,980 --> 00:35:40,020 was a catalyst it basically stopped you 759 00:35:46,090 --> 00:35:42,990 know we never had there was one a film 760 00:35:49,730 --> 00:35:46,100 crew there from a major film studio and 761 00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:49,740 they filmed what we were seeing and they 762 00:35:55,130 --> 00:35:52,800 were stunned and I we Linda and I never 763 00:35:56,750 --> 00:35:55,140 had the finances to get the equipment we 764 00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:56,760 wanted scientific equipment out there 765 00:36:00,680 --> 00:35:59,280 like a beta cam camera you know back 766 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:00,690 then that was the only thing a film at 767 00:36:06,050 --> 00:36:02,130 night and they were fifty thousand 768 00:36:08,180 --> 00:36:06,060 dollars so we they would take the film 769 00:36:10,850 --> 00:36:08,190 footage back and I say just you know we 770 00:36:12,740 --> 00:36:10,860 you know we need a beta cam camera you 771 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:12,750 know leave the camera with us or leave a 772 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:14,970 cameraman and go for two weeks three 773 00:36:18,500 --> 00:36:16,650 weeks a month and you'll have full 774 00:36:20,990 --> 00:36:18,510 rights to look whatever you get and 775 00:36:23,630 --> 00:36:21,000 they'd go back the the camera crews 776 00:36:25,460 --> 00:36:23,640 would go back they're all excited with 777 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:25,470 the stuff they had and every single time 778 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:26,290 they got turned 779 00:36:34,170 --> 00:36:30,610 flat like you know like yes they got the 780 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:34,180 word from somebody you know no no but 781 00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:37,210 anyway yeah it's the branch our ranches 782 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:38,800 that makes an incredible experience and 783 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:41,650 I was there for four years and I saw I 784 00:36:45,150 --> 00:36:43,810 saw stuff that was you know probably 785 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:45,160 only a handful of people on this planet 786 00:36:53,250 --> 00:36:49,090 have ever experienced and you could in 787 00:36:55,830 --> 00:36:53,260 Sedona from 1988 about to about 1995 you 788 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:55,840 could go out in the desert any night can 789 00:36:57,710 --> 00:36:57,010 see something that would change your 790 00:37:00,270 --> 00:36:57,720 life 791 00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:00,280 and that's an acid that's the truth I've 792 00:37:05,670 --> 00:37:03,520 seen so many things that unfortunately 793 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:05,680 if we had that you know the audio and 794 00:37:13,380 --> 00:37:09,370 video equipment we could have got more 795 00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:13,390 this on you know on tape and I've often 796 00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:15,520 remarked that we could have got footage 797 00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:18,250 film footage there's the whole world or 798 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:20,800 you still be talking about but we didn't 799 00:37:24,660 --> 00:37:22,570 and we're still cameras were useless you 800 00:37:26,910 --> 00:37:24,670 can't take a picture of a moving object 801 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:26,920 with a still camera it just you can't do 802 00:37:32,700 --> 00:37:30,130 it well the new digital ones you can but 803 00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:32,710 not not the stuff that we had so 804 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:34,960 incidentally the ranch our ranch was 805 00:37:38,190 --> 00:37:36,850 known up until about a year ago by the 806 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:38,200 government and now they've turned it 807 00:37:43,290 --> 00:37:39,850 over to the University of Northern 808 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:43,300 Arizona and they're going to use it as a 809 00:37:51,020 --> 00:37:46,210 biological research station for plant 810 00:37:54,060 --> 00:37:51,030 life so the government's out of there 811 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:54,070 interestingly enough where are the gates 812 00:37:59,040 --> 00:37:55,770 are the gates still locked 813 00:38:00,660 --> 00:37:59,050 yeah to get into the place I haven't 814 00:38:02,580 --> 00:38:00,670 been out there for years you know but 815 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:02,590 they they say no you can go right onto 816 00:38:09,330 --> 00:38:05,050 the ranch now since there's no defenses 817 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:09,340 are down and the gates are open I was 818 00:38:14,460 --> 00:38:10,930 quite yeah go ahead 819 00:38:19,820 --> 00:38:14,470 no no no what I was just going to I was 820 00:38:22,110 --> 00:38:19,830 just going to say that has anybody since 821 00:38:24,090 --> 00:38:22,120 since the gate is unlocked you know has 822 00:38:27,510 --> 00:38:24,100 anybody had a chance to go go out there 823 00:38:31,140 --> 00:38:27,520 and and you know see anything you said 824 00:38:35,610 --> 00:38:31,150 that once Linda left that the activity 825 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:35,620 kind of died down it it's still there I 826 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:43,170 I flew around it in a helicopter with 827 00:38:50,490 --> 00:38:48,490 with a major film company Network film 828 00:38:54,510 --> 00:38:50,500 company a couple of years ago and there 829 00:38:56,609 --> 00:38:54,520 was a tree a 50-foot opinion pine tree 830 00:39:00,710 --> 00:38:56,619 the final ranch house and pinyon Pines 831 00:39:03,300 --> 00:39:00,720 never grow that that Vegas it's a total 832 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:03,310 you know strange there anything in any 833 00:39:06,810 --> 00:39:04,690 way it was split right in half like 834 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:06,820 somebody chopped in half of Oakland ax 835 00:39:10,230 --> 00:39:08,530 one half of laying on one side nearly 836 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:10,240 haven't seen the other side and that's 837 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:12,010 right where the vortex was I mean 838 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:16,690 they'll be for the portal mm-hmm so you 839 00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:19,090 know but the activity is still high 840 00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:21,250 people still go out there and I was out 841 00:39:25,260 --> 00:39:23,680 there with a couple of people in town 842 00:39:28,410 --> 00:39:25,270 that do you offer tourists I was out 843 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:28,420 there and I about a year ago and got 844 00:39:35,609 --> 00:39:32,490 some really strange photographs strange 845 00:39:37,590 --> 00:39:35,619 light you know objects in the trees 846 00:39:40,859 --> 00:39:37,600 light objects and then during the during 847 00:39:44,700 --> 00:39:40,869 the daytime so it's still going on it's 848 00:39:45,780 --> 00:39:44,710 uh you know and I was he's about two 849 00:39:47,790 --> 00:39:45,790 years ago I was out there with the 850 00:39:52,650 --> 00:39:47,800 Japanese many interviewed about three 851 00:39:54,900 --> 00:39:52,660 times with Japanese and one night we the 852 00:39:56,460 --> 00:39:54,910 same crew they were setting up their 853 00:39:59,790 --> 00:39:56,470 lights and cameras and all that stuff 854 00:40:01,800 --> 00:39:59,800 intimate you know for home materialized 855 00:40:06,510 --> 00:40:01,810 right behind the camera crews red and 856 00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:06,520 white I said you know I said look look 857 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:10,510 look behind you so the the cameraman was 858 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:12,850 just he had just had his camera ready he 859 00:40:16,859 --> 00:40:14,290 turned around he filmed it for five 860 00:40:19,380 --> 00:40:16,869 seconds before it blinked out and he was 861 00:40:21,780 --> 00:40:19,390 shaking so bad he couldn't talk because 862 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:21,790 he he had it on you know full-frame saw 863 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:24,130 the whole thing and why did you happen 864 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:25,810 each guy said he's what he's trying to 865 00:40:30,359 --> 00:40:28,810 say is that he's never seen anything 866 00:40:32,820 --> 00:40:30,369 like that in his life he's never seen a 867 00:40:35,220 --> 00:40:32,830 UFO the guy who's shaking so bad he can 868 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:35,230 hardly hold the camera but in anything 869 00:40:40,140 --> 00:40:36,970 later on that night we went down the 870 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:40,150 Bradshaw branch and we went to the gate 871 00:40:45,210 --> 00:40:42,130 this was when it was all owned by the 872 00:40:46,980 --> 00:40:45,220 government and you know you know I'm the 873 00:40:50,190 --> 00:40:46,990 no trespassing signs you know you'll be 874 00:40:51,530 --> 00:40:50,200 punished to the full extent of the law 875 00:40:52,970 --> 00:40:51,540 you know 876 00:40:54,290 --> 00:40:52,980 United States government property and 877 00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:54,300 all that stuff there so I said make sure 878 00:40:58,910 --> 00:40:55,920 you get a good shot of this sign before 879 00:41:04,460 --> 00:40:58,920 we go in there so we're over the fan so 880 00:41:07,100 --> 00:41:04,470 we're we're in there and I I said do you 881 00:41:08,660 --> 00:41:07,110 guys hear that there was a noise my 882 00:41:10,220 --> 00:41:08,670 hearing is not great but I'm the only 883 00:41:12,980 --> 00:41:10,230 one we're about ten of us out there with 884 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:12,990 like the camera doing some other people 885 00:41:17,420 --> 00:41:15,690 and there was an extremely weird sound 886 00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:17,430 coming out of the ranch off nobody lives 887 00:41:22,630 --> 00:41:19,680 below they had been the bradshaw's had 888 00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:22,640 left about eight years before that and 889 00:41:28,910 --> 00:41:25,200 we went over to honey you know it just 890 00:41:32,090 --> 00:41:28,920 creeped the hell of it was it was such a 891 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:32,100 weird sound and somebody said we better 892 00:41:35,570 --> 00:41:33,690 get out here really fast 893 00:41:38,810 --> 00:41:35,580 we thought we tripped an alarm or 894 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:38,820 something you know but I mean it was a 895 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:40,650 it was a creepiest sound you can imagine 896 00:41:50,780 --> 00:41:48,350 but I just wanted to ask is there is 897 00:41:53,210 --> 00:41:50,790 there any like emerging pattern though I 898 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:53,220 mean do these things like John keel I 899 00:41:58,280 --> 00:41:56,370 remember it took a kind of a survey of a 900 00:41:59,570 --> 00:41:58,290 lot of the sightings and he figured out 901 00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:59,580 that there were more reports on 902 00:42:02,330 --> 00:42:00,960 Wednesday night between the hours of 903 00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:02,340 9:00 and 11:00 o'clock 904 00:42:08,270 --> 00:42:05,280 are there certain times or periods of 905 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:08,280 the year or the month or or of the the 906 00:42:15,410 --> 00:42:10,490 day when these things are more prevalent 907 00:42:17,090 --> 00:42:15,420 no no pattern whatsoever then I've 908 00:42:22,130 --> 00:42:17,100 watched it for twenty to twenty you know 909 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:22,140 25 years it's totally random are they 910 00:42:26,990 --> 00:42:24,330 more are they more prone to you say 911 00:42:29,330 --> 00:42:27,000 Linda was the the catalyst you think for 912 00:42:31,370 --> 00:42:29,340 a lot of those but are they more prone 913 00:42:33,740 --> 00:42:31,380 to play hide and seek with people 914 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:33,750 certain people they will come and make 915 00:42:38,750 --> 00:42:35,930 themselves known and other people Leila 916 00:42:50,660 --> 00:42:38,760 you know run the screaming into the 917 00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:50,670 night you know I've written about it in 918 00:42:54,890 --> 00:42:52,640 my books about the strange things we saw 919 00:42:57,380 --> 00:42:54,900 almost everything I wrote about in my 920 00:42:59,090 --> 00:42:57,390 books was I had witnesses with me they 921 00:43:02,650 --> 00:42:59,100 could back me up on this that means it's 922 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:05,990 yeah it's it's it's uh it was a strange 923 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:09,570 place back in those days and and I wish 924 00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:11,490 I could explain it but I can't it's just 925 00:43:15,340 --> 00:43:13,680 oh I wanted I want to mention some of 926 00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:15,350 you were talking about synchronicities 927 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:18,000 I've had some you know being in Sedona 928 00:43:21,260 --> 00:43:19,650 I've had some just phenomenal 929 00:43:24,050 --> 00:43:21,270 synchronicities happened to me and my 930 00:43:25,610 --> 00:43:24,060 friend I think a lot of these aren't 931 00:43:27,350 --> 00:43:25,620 synchronicity is that the great 932 00:43:30,020 --> 00:43:27,360 trickster is at work 933 00:43:31,450 --> 00:43:30,030 I'm totally convinced that something out 934 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:31,460 there is playing tricks on us 935 00:43:36,140 --> 00:43:34,530 intentionally for whatever reason I 936 00:43:39,470 --> 00:43:36,150 don't know that but it's that's happened 937 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:39,480 to me so many times that it's you know I 938 00:43:42,590 --> 00:43:40,890 think somebody out there that's got a 939 00:43:45,380 --> 00:43:42,600 great sense of humor either there they 940 00:43:47,950 --> 00:43:45,390 turn it you know push us to become more 941 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:47,960 aware or whatever I don't know for sure 942 00:43:53,780 --> 00:43:50,610 most of these synchronicities those seem 943 00:43:55,550 --> 00:43:53,790 to be aimed at the the end you know the 944 00:43:57,380 --> 00:43:55,560 individual that has them it's kind of a 945 00:43:59,210 --> 00:43:57,390 hard thing to share with other people 946 00:44:02,540 --> 00:43:59,220 well though the ones that have happened 947 00:44:03,860 --> 00:44:02,550 to me or so beyond just walking you know 948 00:44:05,300 --> 00:44:03,870 picking up the phone and you know that 949 00:44:07,370 --> 00:44:05,310 who's going to be on the other end or 950 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:07,380 something but people always have that as 951 00:44:11,810 --> 00:44:08,970 a synchronicity well I wouldn't I don't 952 00:44:14,060 --> 00:44:11,820 even count that anymore I mean I I took 953 00:44:18,170 --> 00:44:14,070 a story about how I gave a lecture one 954 00:44:20,660 --> 00:44:18,180 time and San Francisco I was what in the 955 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:20,670 town by a local UFO group and we had a 956 00:44:27,380 --> 00:44:23,370 very nice that turnout at all and the 957 00:44:29,690 --> 00:44:27,390 next day it was a Sunday and had some 958 00:44:32,570 --> 00:44:29,700 time to kill so we all decided we would 959 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:32,580 have a brunch at some restaurant in 960 00:44:36,980 --> 00:44:35,010 downtown San Francisco we picked this 961 00:44:39,590 --> 00:44:36,990 place at random none of us had never 962 00:44:42,740 --> 00:44:39,600 been in the this particular bar 963 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:42,750 restaurant before in our lives we sat 964 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:44,610 down we ordered a Bloody Mary or at 965 00:44:49,150 --> 00:44:46,290 least I know I did because it was Sunday 966 00:44:50,990 --> 00:44:49,160 and I always have one at brunch and I 967 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:51,000 was talking you know I was just 968 00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:52,890 discussing chit-chatting with the the 969 00:44:58,280 --> 00:44:55,530 members of the a group Dale Rettig and 970 00:45:00,590 --> 00:44:58,290 his wife and a couple other members I 971 00:45:02,900 --> 00:45:00,600 guess who'd come along with us to see me 972 00:45:05,570 --> 00:45:02,910 off to shove me on the plane to get out 973 00:45:07,790 --> 00:45:05,580 of town and you know I was mentioning I 974 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:07,800 said cheese you know we I should have 975 00:45:12,020 --> 00:45:09,290 had time or I should have thought about 976 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:12,030 calling a few people that I know who had 977 00:45:14,900 --> 00:45:13,650 that lived in New York and and moved to 978 00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:14,910 San Francisco because 979 00:45:21,710 --> 00:45:18,240 a big migration out there you know for a 980 00:45:24,740 --> 00:45:21,720 while and one of the fellows that I knew 981 00:45:25,970 --> 00:45:24,750 was was a gentleman he was a psychic by 982 00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:25,980 nima Allen Vaughn 983 00:45:30,650 --> 00:45:28,319 in fact he had moved to San Francisco to 984 00:45:32,539 --> 00:45:30,660 edit a magazine a slick magazine called 985 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:32,549 psychic this was back at the height of 986 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:34,410 the publishing industry which most 987 00:45:38,059 --> 00:45:35,970 people wouldn't even remember these days 988 00:45:40,339 --> 00:45:38,069 because Evan forbids you might want to 989 00:45:43,099 --> 00:45:40,349 buy a magazine on on the paranormal or 990 00:45:44,599 --> 00:45:43,109 UFOs you'd never find one unless you go 991 00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:44,609 to Australia the only english-speaking 992 00:45:49,130 --> 00:45:47,130 UFO magazine it's called the Skrill and 993 00:45:51,319 --> 00:45:49,140 ufologists so you know it an actual 994 00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:51,329 printed magazine anyway so I mentioned 995 00:45:54,650 --> 00:45:53,609 how I always had a good time with 996 00:45:57,049 --> 00:45:54,660 Australia Alan Vaughn 997 00:46:00,859 --> 00:45:57,059 he had lectured and given seminars for 998 00:46:02,359 --> 00:46:00,869 our occult Center in New York and I 999 00:46:04,700 --> 00:46:02,369 hadn't talked him in a while but again I 1000 00:46:07,279 --> 00:46:04,710 knew he had moved well two minutes later 1001 00:46:09,260 --> 00:46:07,289 the the door to the restaurant opens and 1002 00:46:11,690 --> 00:46:09,270 a fellow cup middle-aged fellow comes in 1003 00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:11,700 with his dog on a leash looking around 1004 00:46:17,210 --> 00:46:14,160 and I say to myself my goodness that 1005 00:46:18,650 --> 00:46:17,220 seems like I recognize this guy that 1006 00:46:20,660 --> 00:46:18,660 looks like Alan Foreman how's that 1007 00:46:22,010 --> 00:46:20,670 possible and I motioned him over and I 1008 00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:22,020 said are you Alan four and he said yeah 1009 00:46:25,730 --> 00:46:24,089 you're Tim Beckley and I said well we 1010 00:46:27,260 --> 00:46:25,740 were just talking about you now what's 1011 00:46:29,450 --> 00:46:27,270 the chances about talking to somebody 1012 00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:29,460 and then coming in to a restaurant where 1013 00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:31,200 they had never been before in a city of 1014 00:46:36,859 --> 00:46:34,130 over a million people no none whatsoever 1015 00:46:39,170 --> 00:46:36,869 you'd be more likely to win the lottery 1016 00:46:40,490 --> 00:46:39,180 and so I asked Alan I said hey you know 1017 00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:40,500 I was just talking to my friends here 1018 00:46:44,210 --> 00:46:42,510 and telling them what a good psychic you 1019 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:44,220 are and you're a writer and an editor 1020 00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:45,690 and so forth what are you working on 1021 00:46:49,420 --> 00:46:47,250 these days he said well you know I'm 1022 00:46:52,130 --> 00:46:49,430 doing a paperback book on 1023 00:46:54,589 --> 00:46:52,140 synchronicities and coincidences and I 1024 00:46:56,779 --> 00:46:54,599 guess you'll you're gonna be in the book 1025 00:46:59,000 --> 00:46:56,789 and sure enough if you can find a no 1026 00:47:01,279 --> 00:46:59,010 dusty paperback that sold at a time for 1027 00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:01,289 about 75 cents I believe we're case 1028 00:47:06,049 --> 00:47:04,319 number 17 but San Francisco has never 1029 00:47:09,500 --> 00:47:06,059 been there before never been in the 1030 00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:09,510 restaurant and it's all spooky and we'll 1031 00:47:14,930 --> 00:47:11,970 be coming back with more of our show 1032 00:47:18,289 --> 00:47:14,940 tonight on the fabulous guests on tango 1033 00:47:19,380 --> 00:47:18,299 and the weirdness of Sedona at tip 1034 00:47:21,900 --> 00:47:19,390 Schwartz 1035 00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:21,910 this is Space Ranger I don't go rightly 1036 00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:24,640 of the starship psychopath welcoming Tim 1037 00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:28,089 Beck lien Tim Swartz to the case CEO our 1038 00:47:33,210 --> 00:47:30,730 digital network listen to every episode 1039 00:47:36,930 --> 00:47:33,220 of exploring the unknown or the avians 1040 00:47:39,029 --> 00:47:36,940 may abduct you next well electrifying 1041 00:47:40,349 --> 00:47:39,039 host I lie still I love that term the 1042 00:47:42,990 --> 00:47:40,359 electrifying you know it's it's hard 1043 00:47:47,220 --> 00:47:43,000 after hearing that it is hard to be 1044 00:47:52,019 --> 00:47:47,230 humble I tell you and I've decided not 1045 00:47:55,890 --> 00:47:52,029 to be humble anymore but we have a 1046 00:48:00,269 --> 00:47:55,900 fascinating show tonight and I can 1047 00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:00,279 almost guarantee that if you tune in or 1048 00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:04,000 listen to our program and archive that 1049 00:48:11,759 --> 00:48:07,839 you will be very surprised and very 1050 00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:11,769 pleased and very enlightened and very 1051 00:48:18,779 --> 00:48:15,760 much entertained because we are going to 1052 00:48:20,970 --> 00:48:18,789 have some surprises for you in the weeks 1053 00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:20,980 of weeks ahead you know 1054 00:48:24,509 --> 00:48:22,569 hey speaking attempt speaking of 1055 00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:24,519 synchronicities and coincidences the 1056 00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:27,970 fact that you and I are first names are 1057 00:48:32,370 --> 00:48:29,890 Tim is somewhat of a coincidence but 1058 00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:32,380 even further beyond that don't you agree 1059 00:48:37,710 --> 00:48:34,960 that there are more people in ufology 1060 00:48:43,109 --> 00:48:37,720 with the the first name of Tim then is 1061 00:48:45,779 --> 00:48:43,119 rather normal oh yeah you know I mean 1062 00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:45,789 when when I was just a kid 1063 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:49,210 Tim was not a very common name and it's 1064 00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:51,970 it has its it's become a lot more more 1065 00:49:01,980 --> 00:48:54,130 common now I think but but yeah you're 1066 00:49:06,450 --> 00:49:01,990 right I mean there there are it Tim guy 1067 00:49:08,039 --> 00:49:06,460 and Jesus it yeah yeah it go it goes on 1068 00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:08,049 and on it we can probably come up with 1069 00:49:14,730 --> 00:49:11,920 20 personalities in the field whose name 1070 00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:14,740 begins with with Tim and you're right 1071 00:49:19,950 --> 00:49:17,170 when I I don't remember it being a very 1072 00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:19,960 popular name it was taken out of the 1073 00:49:25,079 --> 00:49:22,240 Bible I guess that's where my my parents 1074 00:49:28,529 --> 00:49:25,089 got it from anyway that's just another 1075 00:49:30,210 --> 00:49:28,539 weird synchronicity and I do believe 1076 00:49:32,970 --> 00:49:30,220 that these synchronicities are being 1077 00:49:35,310 --> 00:49:32,980 programmed they are talking to us 1078 00:49:38,670 --> 00:49:35,320 they can't communicate perhaps in a 1079 00:49:42,330 --> 00:49:38,680 verbal way but like Tom says it's the 1080 00:49:45,450 --> 00:49:42,340 trickster element that's uh you know it 1081 00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:45,460 pops up in almost every opportunity but 1082 00:49:50,700 --> 00:49:47,890 I think it goes even beyond that I think 1083 00:49:53,580 --> 00:49:50,710 we're part of the some giant a matrix 1084 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:53,590 you know I don't even know if we're here 1085 00:49:57,210 --> 00:49:55,210 in the sense that we think that we're 1086 00:49:59,609 --> 00:49:57,220 here if we're not here we're somewhere 1087 00:50:03,000 --> 00:49:59,619 but it may be not here anyway you know 1088 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:03,010 you know Terence Mckenna you know before 1089 00:50:08,370 --> 00:50:04,930 he passed away I mean you know he talked 1090 00:50:12,109 --> 00:50:08,380 about synchronicity and he said that it 1091 00:50:15,090 --> 00:50:12,119 was an attempt from these other 1092 00:50:18,420 --> 00:50:15,100 dimensional other reality intelligences 1093 00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:18,430 to to communicate with us so you know 1094 00:50:23,490 --> 00:50:21,040 but but of course then he he suggested 1095 00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:23,500 to you know in just a lot of mushrooms 1096 00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:27,359 and other psychedelics in order to get a 1097 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:30,250 more clearer message but I guess for the 1098 00:50:34,530 --> 00:50:32,290 rest of us you know synchronicity 1099 00:50:37,380 --> 00:50:34,540 there's another gentleman who's also 1100 00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:37,390 deceased by the name of dr. John sea 1101 00:50:44,250 --> 00:50:41,650 Lily yeah I always recommend people if 1102 00:50:45,570 --> 00:50:44,260 they're curious about synchronicities or 1103 00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:45,580 they've had a lot of them in their life 1104 00:50:50,220 --> 00:50:48,640 and I'm not just the like it's like 1105 00:50:51,870 --> 00:50:50,230 saying you know the telephone rings you 1106 00:50:53,910 --> 00:50:51,880 know who's gonna be on the the other end 1107 00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:53,920 I'm talking about stuff with some 1108 00:50:59,400 --> 00:50:57,040 deep-seated the meaning or something 1109 00:51:03,930 --> 00:50:59,410 beyond random I recommend that they go 1110 00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:03,940 to google and type in John see Lily who 1111 00:51:08,490 --> 00:51:06,400 wrote a book I of the cyclone because 1112 00:51:11,099 --> 00:51:08,500 these synchronicities followed him 1113 00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:11,109 around and here was a man of science and 1114 00:51:16,740 --> 00:51:13,119 he took them very seriously 1115 00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:16,750 also to philip k dick had some very 1116 00:51:23,370 --> 00:51:20,050 remarkable experiences and one of our 1117 00:51:25,109 --> 00:51:23,380 favorite to guess as a tessa a dick and 1118 00:51:28,109 --> 00:51:25,119 I'm sure she'll be on this program in 1119 00:51:30,030 --> 00:51:28,119 the in the weeks to come talking about 1120 00:51:32,460 --> 00:51:30,040 philip k dick some of his experiences 1121 00:51:34,950 --> 00:51:32,470 and some of the weirdness now here's a 1122 00:51:38,580 --> 00:51:34,960 fellow who took his weirdness and he 1123 00:51:40,380 --> 00:51:38,590 made he wrote books about him and they 1124 00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:40,390 were made into films and unfortunately I 1125 00:51:46,550 --> 00:51:43,570 don't think he lived past to see maybe 1126 00:51:48,690 --> 00:51:46,560 one of them actually being produced 1127 00:51:52,610 --> 00:51:48,700 okay one of the most popular in the 1128 00:51:55,140 --> 00:51:52,620 world right he saw he saw blade runner' 1129 00:51:58,610 --> 00:51:55,150 before just before it was released 1130 00:52:00,840 --> 00:51:58,620 before he passed away I mean yeah and he 1131 00:52:02,940 --> 00:52:00,850 he was happy with the final product 1132 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:02,950 though I guess he wasn't too happy 1133 00:52:08,070 --> 00:52:05,610 during the initial production of it but 1134 00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:08,080 he saw like you know one of the early 1135 00:52:13,110 --> 00:52:10,090 prints and he was pretty pleased so I 1136 00:52:17,010 --> 00:52:13,120 guess he died happy at least well you 1137 00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:17,020 know we we do welcome our listeners to 1138 00:52:23,070 --> 00:52:19,330 to share their synchronicities and their 1139 00:52:26,430 --> 00:52:23,080 UFO sightings especially down in Sedona 1140 00:52:28,890 --> 00:52:26,440 if they have any but we want to get back 1141 00:52:32,130 --> 00:52:28,900 to to Tom now Tom before we continue 1142 00:52:33,900 --> 00:52:32,140 with the some of these experiences why 1143 00:52:35,130 --> 00:52:33,910 don't you tell us about a couple of the 1144 00:52:37,590 --> 00:52:35,140 books that you've written give us the 1145 00:52:43,620 --> 00:52:37,600 titles and where people can find them 1146 00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:43,630 and your website my name is Tom dango 1147 00:52:51,240 --> 00:52:47,520 and it brings up everything you know 1148 00:52:53,300 --> 00:52:51,250 amazon.com is really all the service all 1149 00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:53,310 the distributors have my books but I 1150 00:53:00,780 --> 00:52:57,370 tell you to go to amazon.com and they're 1151 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:00,790 all they're all there and they are they 1152 00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:03,010 are some very interesting books and I'm 1153 00:53:07,350 --> 00:53:05,440 impressed that they are so low-priced I 1154 00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:07,360 mean there there's some reasonable that 1155 00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:10,210 you could grab up the entire collection 1156 00:53:17,310 --> 00:53:13,210 and they all have just I mean stories 1157 00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:17,320 about Sedona in in detail and they're 1158 00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:19,930 loaded with photographs and that's what 1159 00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:23,920 this is all about because tom has more 1160 00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:27,280 photographic evidence and at least four 1161 00:53:32,340 --> 00:53:30,610 you know one particular area than anyone 1162 00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:32,350 else that I know now I'm sure people 1163 00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:34,690 would some people would dispute that we 1164 00:53:40,050 --> 00:53:37,450 did do a book recently that Thomason 1165 00:53:43,350 --> 00:53:40,060 called the UFO repeaters the camera 1166 00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:43,360 doesn't lie for listeners who are not 1167 00:53:49,260 --> 00:53:46,930 that familiar with us I am a publisher 1168 00:53:52,410 --> 00:53:49,270 of inner light global communications and 1169 00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:52,420 probably the most active publisher in 1170 00:53:57,150 --> 00:53:54,850 the the field not just UFOs but 1171 00:53:59,130 --> 00:53:57,160 paranormal and the little music and some 1172 00:53:59,849 --> 00:53:59,140 other interesting things thrown in we 1173 00:54:02,900 --> 00:53:59,859 have OH 1174 00:54:07,259 --> 00:54:02,910 for 200 books that we have published 1175 00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:07,269 over the course of I guess about 50 1176 00:54:13,259 --> 00:54:10,210 years believe it or not that's how is it 1177 00:54:16,229 --> 00:54:13,269 up or do you hundred yeah 200 and that's 1178 00:54:23,609 --> 00:54:16,239 back before the invention of the movable 1179 00:54:27,539 --> 00:54:23,619 type we started we started out with a 1180 00:54:29,249 --> 00:54:27,549 mimeograph machine now typing stencils 1181 00:54:32,279 --> 00:54:29,259 what a mess 1182 00:54:35,130 --> 00:54:32,289 if I was like 14 years old you know and 1183 00:54:37,319 --> 00:54:35,140 my mother made me take the mimeograph 1184 00:54:39,720 --> 00:54:37,329 machine and the paper and the stinking 1185 00:54:41,309 --> 00:54:39,730 ink to the back porch where it was cold 1186 00:54:43,529 --> 00:54:41,319 in the winter time let me tell you there 1187 00:54:46,589 --> 00:54:43,539 was no heat out there because the 1188 00:54:48,930 --> 00:54:46,599 kitchen looked like a crime scene there 1189 00:54:51,180 --> 00:54:48,940 were fingerprints made from the you know 1190 00:54:53,789 --> 00:54:51,190 the the the ink on your fingers all over 1191 00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:53,799 the wall and a refrigerator she knew 1192 00:54:57,989 --> 00:54:56,170 when I had snuck in to grab something 1193 00:55:00,930 --> 00:54:57,999 between before dinner time that that's 1194 00:55:03,749 --> 00:55:00,940 for sure but that was what we we printed 1195 00:55:05,519 --> 00:55:03,759 on in in those days and of course things 1196 00:55:09,569 --> 00:55:05,529 are a little bit more advanced today 1197 00:55:12,089 --> 00:55:09,579 although I'm not big on electronic books 1198 00:55:16,499 --> 00:55:12,099 I want to see I like to hold a book in 1199 00:55:19,620 --> 00:55:16,509 my hand I like the feel of it anyway so 1200 00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:19,630 so Tom Aria what do you are you working 1201 00:55:25,529 --> 00:55:20,890 on anything currently I mean do you have 1202 00:55:29,819 --> 00:55:25,539 any more a great history to tell it to 1203 00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:29,829 tell the readers about yeah if I do it 1204 00:55:35,729 --> 00:55:32,890 would be I would write I'm trying to get 1205 00:55:37,049 --> 00:55:35,739 back to working with the Navajos their 1206 00:55:38,940 --> 00:55:37,059 stuff that goes on the Indian 1207 00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:38,950 Reservation it's just absolutely 1208 00:55:44,190 --> 00:55:41,680 phenomenal I mean I mean I talk to 1209 00:55:46,049 --> 00:55:44,200 people who have had alien spacecraft 1210 00:55:48,089 --> 00:55:46,059 land and their front yard and the aliens 1211 00:55:50,670 --> 00:55:48,099 get out and you know talk to them and 1212 00:55:51,299 --> 00:55:50,680 walk around and it's not uncommon it 1213 00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:51,309 really isn't 1214 00:55:56,789 --> 00:55:53,609 in there in the Indians you know they're 1215 00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:56,799 they're they're they pretty much sort of 1216 00:55:59,849 --> 00:55:57,970 take that for granted it's just 1217 00:56:08,880 --> 00:55:59,859 something that happens I can tell you 1218 00:56:10,050 --> 00:56:08,890 stories for hours but at the time but is 1219 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:10,060 one 1220 00:56:15,180 --> 00:56:12,490 group that we were working with for a 1221 00:56:16,890 --> 00:56:15,190 while there's 150 miles from here so we 1222 00:56:19,170 --> 00:56:16,900 made a very difficult to get there but 1223 00:56:22,530 --> 00:56:19,180 but the kids you know the Indian kids 1224 00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:22,540 there you know they just turn them loose 1225 00:56:25,950 --> 00:56:24,250 they go hot all day on the desert you 1226 00:56:27,540 --> 00:56:25,960 know they and they're smart those kids 1227 00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:27,550 are smart they know about rattlesnakes 1228 00:56:33,210 --> 00:56:29,890 they know about you know and the animals 1229 00:56:34,830 --> 00:56:33,220 and and cats flower bushes and all that 1230 00:56:36,420 --> 00:56:34,840 stuff so they would just take off so 1231 00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:36,430 it's no big deal so you know the kids 1232 00:56:40,140 --> 00:56:38,890 would go off in the desert and then do 1233 00:56:43,910 --> 00:56:40,150 it and do whatever they were doing and 1234 00:56:46,290 --> 00:56:43,920 so I interviewed some of these Navajo 1235 00:56:49,290 --> 00:56:46,300 kids they were older they're in the 1236 00:56:52,170 --> 00:56:49,300 teens but they and these people are very 1237 00:56:53,970 --> 00:56:52,180 very poor they don't have a lot of don't 1238 00:56:56,990 --> 00:56:53,980 have phones they don't certainly not 1239 00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:57,000 have camera equipment or cell phones or 1240 00:57:01,740 --> 00:57:00,160 you know anything I needed equipment but 1241 00:57:03,599 --> 00:57:01,750 they're great people to work with 1242 00:57:06,990 --> 00:57:03,609 just just absolutely great people most 1243 00:57:07,710 --> 00:57:07,000 of them you know you know UFO believers 1244 00:57:12,270 --> 00:57:07,720 it's no big deal 1245 00:57:13,980 --> 00:57:12,280 so but at any rate these kids would they 1246 00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:13,990 were running into three times three 1247 00:57:18,990 --> 00:57:15,609 types of extraterrestrials out in the 1248 00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:19,000 desert when was a little three foot tall 1249 00:57:24,660 --> 00:57:23,290 in I think they said they had black skin 1250 00:57:27,270 --> 00:57:24,670 they were strange little creatures they 1251 00:57:28,829 --> 00:57:27,280 never really got too close to those and 1252 00:57:31,380 --> 00:57:28,839 then the second type like I call him the 1253 00:57:33,300 --> 00:57:31,390 Ichabod Crane type very tall and they 1254 00:57:35,790 --> 00:57:33,310 they would never let the kids see their 1255 00:57:38,370 --> 00:57:35,800 faces they had scores on and they could 1256 00:57:41,940 --> 00:57:40,800 one guy drove his truck alongside one of 1257 00:57:43,260 --> 00:57:41,950 these guys I mean there's way on the 1258 00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:43,270 middle of desert nobody gonna be out 1259 00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:45,010 walking the dog you know it's out there 1260 00:57:49,859 --> 00:57:47,650 and he talked to the guy and the guy 1261 00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:49,869 would not be in turn his face to look at 1262 00:57:58,250 --> 00:57:54,400 the my Navajo fan so and then the third 1263 00:58:02,670 --> 00:57:58,260 type or type their type is about normal 1264 00:58:07,710 --> 00:58:02,680 human size and they're great skin and in 1265 00:58:11,609 --> 00:58:07,720 large round eyes and the girl told me 1266 00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:11,619 that she was they would normally observe 1267 00:58:14,700 --> 00:58:12,730 these these people these 1268 00:58:16,140 --> 00:58:14,710 extraterrestrials gathering stuff they'd 1269 00:58:16,740 --> 00:58:16,150 be digging up plants and that's why I 1270 00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:16,750 think so 1271 00:58:22,670 --> 00:58:19,810 the girl said that she saw by Google I'm 1272 00:58:24,339 --> 00:58:22,680 doing that one day she went over to him 1273 00:58:29,809 --> 00:58:24,349 he said they were about five foot eight 1274 00:58:31,910 --> 00:58:29,819 had gray skin large round dark eyes and 1275 00:58:34,370 --> 00:58:31,920 when I was interviewing her she had 1276 00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:34,380 three kids and she said that one of the 1277 00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:36,960 the extraterrestrial aliens raised a 1278 00:58:42,049 --> 00:58:39,210 cane likely and pointed at her and she 1279 00:58:44,749 --> 00:58:42,059 passed out and just then the kids pulled 1280 00:58:46,279 --> 00:58:44,759 the the tablecloth and pull the 1281 00:58:47,809 --> 00:58:46,289 tablecloth off the table and all the 1282 00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:47,819 dishes went on the floor so that was the 1283 00:58:51,620 --> 00:58:48,960 end of the interview and I never go 1284 00:58:54,859 --> 00:58:51,630 chance that after what happened after 1285 00:58:58,359 --> 00:58:54,869 that but you know I mean these is still 1286 00:59:02,059 --> 00:58:58,369 going on even now and I would like to 1287 00:59:07,870 --> 00:59:02,069 actually the Yakama reservation is where 1288 00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:07,880 the really and almost a Washington stare 1289 00:59:13,099 --> 00:59:10,890 that's where actually near were Kenneth 1290 00:59:15,890 --> 00:59:13,109 Arnold after he had his sight in there 1291 00:59:18,140 --> 00:59:15,900 at the Mount Rainier he landed at the 1292 00:59:21,349 --> 00:59:18,150 airport just outside of Yakima and told 1293 00:59:23,749 --> 00:59:21,359 his his friend about what he had 1294 00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:23,759 observed and before you know it was on 1295 00:59:27,799 --> 00:59:25,440 the wire service and on some of the 1296 00:59:29,660 --> 00:59:27,809 radio shows all over the country and 1297 00:59:31,970 --> 00:59:29,670 they even had an observation tower 1298 00:59:34,220 --> 00:59:31,980 remember a tip we talked about this on a 1299 00:59:35,420 --> 00:59:34,230 show you did the long time ago you were 1300 00:59:38,210 --> 00:59:35,430 hosting and I only remember what the 1301 00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:38,220 name of it was and we talked about the 1302 00:59:42,229 --> 00:59:40,319 how they had this observation tower and 1303 00:59:44,239 --> 00:59:42,239 they were taking photographs of these 1304 00:59:47,900 --> 00:59:44,249 objects that were coming in on a regular 1305 00:59:53,029 --> 00:59:47,910 basis that's right that's right UFOs 1306 00:59:57,799 --> 00:59:53,039 over yakima and also too i remember in a 1307 01:00:01,849 --> 00:59:57,809 book that i added it it's called the UFO 1308 01:00:06,170 --> 01:00:01,859 start star seed UFO american star seed 1309 01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:06,180 the connection a Kris Dickey and I went 1310 01:00:10,430 --> 01:00:08,970 out to a second Mesa and and there were 1311 01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:10,440 a lot of sightings that were taking 1312 01:00:14,150 --> 01:00:12,690 place out there some of them actually 1313 01:00:15,710 --> 01:00:14,160 the sightings were actually being 1314 01:00:19,339 --> 01:00:15,720 predicted and they were coming in on a 1315 01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:19,349 on a you know pretty much regular basis 1316 01:00:25,999 --> 01:00:23,130 being seen by the Native Americans who 1317 01:00:28,460 --> 01:00:26,009 live there as well as by outsiders but 1318 01:00:31,069 --> 01:00:28,470 so there is a lot there are a lot of 1319 01:00:33,380 --> 01:00:31,079 sightings around Indian reservations and 1320 01:00:36,140 --> 01:00:33,390 it's something certainly that should be 1321 01:00:41,750 --> 01:00:36,150 a lot more you know wider research 1322 01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:41,760 than it that it is well Tom I Alan asked 1323 01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:45,450 um er quick here what what are the 1324 01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:48,690 Native American interpretations of these 1325 01:00:56,359 --> 01:00:52,170 of these beans I mean do you know or do 1326 01:00:57,609 --> 01:00:56,369 they think of them as you know like like 1327 01:01:00,559 --> 01:00:57,619 we do I mean that they're 1328 01:01:03,470 --> 01:01:00,569 extraterrestrials or just what is their 1329 01:01:04,279 --> 01:01:03,480 opinion well you know they just accept 1330 01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:04,289 them for who they are 1331 01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:05,490 I'll tell you another story this 1332 01:01:09,019 --> 01:01:07,170 happened this happened on the Navajo 1333 01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:09,029 Reservation though in a medical doctor 1334 01:01:13,819 --> 01:01:11,010 told me this story so you know it's 1335 01:01:16,519 --> 01:01:13,829 burrito the Navajos they have a ceremony 1336 01:01:19,549 --> 01:01:16,529 one night and three three people they 1337 01:01:21,140 --> 01:01:19,559 were human materialized in the group so 1338 01:01:22,549 --> 01:01:21,150 everything stopped and somebody went 1339 01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:22,559 over and talked to these people on me 1340 01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:25,170 and they said we're from the Inner Earth 1341 01:01:29,150 --> 01:01:27,359 and we would just like to see watch what 1342 01:01:30,589 --> 01:01:29,160 you people are doing and we won't be 1343 01:01:33,710 --> 01:01:30,599 here long and we're gonna leave so they 1344 01:01:35,750 --> 01:01:33,720 simply they continued on with their 1345 01:01:36,380 --> 01:01:35,760 ceremony and then the three just 1346 01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:36,390 disappeared 1347 01:01:40,519 --> 01:01:38,010 meant to be materialized so they said 1348 01:01:42,890 --> 01:01:40,529 they were from the the Inner Earth so 1349 01:01:46,359 --> 01:01:42,900 that's uh but that sort of thing happens 1350 01:01:49,789 --> 01:01:46,369 a lot on the Indian reservations and 1351 01:01:52,460 --> 01:01:49,799 there's a group so are you skinwalkers 1352 01:01:54,710 --> 01:01:52,470 can we get into that tonight yeah it's 1353 01:01:59,420 --> 01:01:54,720 true skinwalkers are not it's not 1354 01:02:01,099 --> 01:01:59,430 folklore they're real and they're they 1355 01:02:04,029 --> 01:02:01,109 can be extremely dangerous and they are 1356 01:02:09,069 --> 01:02:04,039 off the reservations now they are 1357 01:02:11,599 --> 01:02:09,079 beginning to circulate you know in 1358 01:02:12,829 --> 01:02:11,609 cities and one are like Flagstaff and 1359 01:02:19,549 --> 01:02:12,839 some other places there they're not 1360 01:02:21,470 --> 01:02:19,559 slowly you know staying on reservations 1361 01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:21,480 anymore but that's a long story but 1362 01:02:28,130 --> 01:02:24,000 skinwalkers they are not folklore those 1363 01:02:33,079 --> 01:02:32,000 I started writing a book about I spent 1364 01:02:37,460 --> 01:02:33,089 six months writing a book about 1365 01:02:39,109 --> 01:02:37,470 skinwalkers and I was told that whites 1366 01:02:40,819 --> 01:02:39,119 were pretty much involved with the 1367 01:02:42,380 --> 01:02:40,829 skinwalkers but I had six months the 1368 01:02:44,809 --> 01:02:42,390 worst bad luck you can possibly imagine 1369 01:02:47,390 --> 01:02:44,819 and after six months of writing a book I 1370 01:02:48,660 --> 01:02:47,400 gave it up now these people can 1371 01:02:51,089 --> 01:02:48,670 shape-shift the 1372 01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:51,099 certain in his black magic is this holy 1373 01:02:55,109 --> 01:02:53,290 black magic what I was looking for I 1374 01:02:56,549 --> 01:02:55,119 didn't really care about the skinwalkers 1375 01:02:58,980 --> 01:02:56,559 I want if I wanted to find out whether 1376 01:03:01,349 --> 01:02:58,990 the energy came from where the power 1377 01:03:05,670 --> 01:03:01,359 came from how about they were tapping 1378 01:03:08,130 --> 01:03:05,680 into they could do that that's what that 1379 01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:08,140 was my approach to it and so anyway I 1380 01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:15,210 gave it up but the skinwalkers can 1381 01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:19,290 shape-shift the Newton Birds coyote 1382 01:03:23,789 --> 01:03:21,490 that's our thing and there's a group 1383 01:03:26,010 --> 01:03:23,799 called the Navajo Rangers they're dicks 1384 01:03:28,530 --> 01:03:26,020 Navajo police that actually investigate 1385 01:03:29,849 --> 01:03:28,540 these things and they've done some talks 1386 01:03:32,250 --> 01:03:29,859 around Arizona and they're very good 1387 01:03:35,700 --> 01:03:32,260 these guys are very good they document 1388 01:03:38,910 --> 01:03:35,710 things very well in I had a case where 1389 01:03:41,970 --> 01:03:38,920 and I got I get accused of a lot of 1390 01:03:45,620 --> 01:03:41,980 things on the internet there was 1391 01:03:50,220 --> 01:03:45,630 evidently a skinwalker was was hit and 1392 01:03:52,230 --> 01:03:50,230 at near Window Rock Indian Reservation 1393 01:03:59,670 --> 01:03:52,240 and it was taken to the Fort Defiance 1394 01:04:01,740 --> 01:03:59,680 Ross hospital and the the they got this 1395 01:04:03,210 --> 01:04:01,750 creature it was still alive they got it 1396 01:04:04,470 --> 01:04:03,220 in the hospital and the doctors and 1397 01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:04,480 nurses wouldn't touch it they didn't 1398 01:04:07,049 --> 01:04:05,890 know what it was they couldn't they said 1399 01:04:10,319 --> 01:04:07,059 this thing's not human there's nothing 1400 01:04:13,109 --> 01:04:10,329 we can do with it and so they saw it but 1401 01:04:14,970 --> 01:04:13,119 anyway the thing that often ran out this 1402 01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:14,980 is a long story we just spent an hour 1403 01:04:19,109 --> 01:04:16,410 just talking about this but it's 1404 01:04:20,430 --> 01:04:19,119 coincided with something it's the 1405 01:04:22,079 --> 01:04:20,440 coincide it was something that the 1406 01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:22,089 Navajo rangers were working on at the 1407 01:04:25,490 --> 01:04:23,650 same time so that they're you know 1408 01:04:27,539 --> 01:04:25,500 there's your credibility right there 1409 01:04:30,630 --> 01:04:27,549 well you know it isn't it kind of 1410 01:04:32,220 --> 01:04:30,640 strange though that there are 1411 01:04:34,980 --> 01:04:32,230 shapeshifters you know human 1412 01:04:38,010 --> 01:04:34,990 shapeshifters but I've been told and in 1413 01:04:41,099 --> 01:04:38,020 any number of cases that UFOs are also 1414 01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:41,109 able to shape-shift have you heard of 1415 01:04:44,789 --> 01:04:42,880 those stories out there because I've had 1416 01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:44,799 to store it people tell me where they 1417 01:04:47,970 --> 01:04:46,450 saw an object that started out as being 1418 01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:47,980 a disc and it turned out to be a square 1419 01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:49,370 and 1420 01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:51,890 we had a big flap here years ago where 1421 01:04:58,210 --> 01:04:54,170 UFOs had actually disguised themselves 1422 01:05:00,100 --> 01:04:58,220 as balloons I know it sounds silly and 1423 01:05:02,020 --> 01:05:00,110 people are going to say oh it was just 1424 01:05:03,610 --> 01:05:02,030 party balloons that were set in the air 1425 01:05:05,770 --> 01:05:03,620 well no these balloons set in the same 1426 01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:05,780 spot for about six to seven hours 1427 01:05:09,850 --> 01:05:07,970 hundreds of people watched them or if 1428 01:05:12,910 --> 01:05:09,860 you look at the the videos they're doing 1429 01:05:16,210 --> 01:05:12,920 all sorts of you know the things that a 1430 01:05:17,650 --> 01:05:16,220 normal a party a balloon would not do 1431 01:05:20,530 --> 01:05:17,660 maybe some of the party or outdoors 1432 01:05:21,970 --> 01:05:20,540 would act like that but these balloons 1433 01:05:23,850 --> 01:05:21,980 were pardon the expression out of this 1434 01:05:27,610 --> 01:05:23,860 world 1435 01:05:30,190 --> 01:05:27,620 well UFOs can mimic cars and in the 1436 01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:30,200 aircraft perfectly but there's really 1437 01:05:34,180 --> 01:05:32,450 something different about them we've 1438 01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:34,190 we've been we've been seeing this for 20 1439 01:05:38,770 --> 01:05:36,770 years right around here and they do it 1440 01:05:40,330 --> 01:05:38,780 they do a good job of it no no I would 1441 01:05:41,860 --> 01:05:40,340 look twice you know then he thought it's 1442 01:05:44,350 --> 01:05:41,870 a that's a plane but I went to idea 1443 01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:44,360 territory real quick by the way your new 1444 01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:48,170 book is great oh yeah yeah the UFO 1445 01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:50,290 repeaters the camera doesn't lie 1446 01:05:57,910 --> 01:05:53,690 Indy or a medium is available on Amazon 1447 01:06:00,970 --> 01:05:57,920 and a economical Kindle edition but by 1448 01:06:03,070 --> 01:06:00,980 the book I have have some faith in the 1449 01:06:08,830 --> 01:06:03,080 printed word before it disappears 1450 01:06:10,630 --> 01:06:08,840 altogether you know you had a gonna want 1451 01:06:13,300 --> 01:06:10,640 to bill Hamilton stories and them and 1452 01:06:16,390 --> 01:06:13,310 Bill at the time was the world's top UFO 1453 01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:16,400 researchers wait 20 years ago so ago we 1454 01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:18,650 were out of the red charge he's standing 1455 01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:21,170 side by side and bill very far verify 1456 01:06:24,580 --> 01:06:21,730 this 1457 01:06:28,420 --> 01:06:24,590 we're just casually talking about 1458 01:06:30,670 --> 01:06:28,430 whatever and a 50-foot orb 1459 01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:30,680 came out of the ground in front of us 1460 01:06:37,750 --> 01:06:34,370 mmm there was it was kind of a whitish 1461 01:06:39,310 --> 01:06:37,760 collar he rose up about 50 feet in the 1462 01:06:41,260 --> 01:06:39,320 air even though I probably about a 1463 01:06:45,220 --> 01:06:41,270 hundred feet and turn into a light plane 1464 01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:45,230 like assessment engine engine sounds the 1465 01:06:49,540 --> 01:06:47,090 the strobe lights the whole deal 1466 01:06:51,940 --> 01:06:49,550 it turned into a light plane and it flew 1467 01:06:54,610 --> 01:06:51,950 right over Sedona we watched it fly over 1468 01:06:57,550 --> 01:06:54,620 fedora well you know we had a place here 1469 01:06:59,080 --> 01:06:57,560 in a New York estate Pine Bush where 1470 01:07:01,480 --> 01:06:59,090 Ellen Crystal I think that's who you 1471 01:07:01,770 --> 01:07:01,490 were referring to a report she sends to 1472 01:07:05,070 --> 01:07:01,780 see 1473 01:07:06,510 --> 01:07:05,080 these airplanes if because oh they're 1474 01:07:08,820 --> 01:07:06,520 just landing at the airport 1475 01:07:10,650 --> 01:07:08,830 well the airport closed like three hours 1476 01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:10,660 ago it was not open it to your locker 1477 01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:12,370 the wedding and she would take all these 1478 01:07:16,290 --> 01:07:14,050 photographs and when you examine them 1479 01:07:18,060 --> 01:07:16,300 closely they were be open to it you know 1480 01:07:20,370 --> 01:07:18,070 open the hatch ways or open doorways to 1481 01:07:23,700 --> 01:07:20,380 the craft with these kind of insect type 1482 01:07:25,610 --> 01:07:23,710 of guys you know standing in the in the 1483 01:07:28,740 --> 01:07:25,620 open door all kinds of very very 1484 01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:28,750 peculiar things but you gotta know how 1485 01:07:33,900 --> 01:07:32,170 to look at it you know most people I was 1486 01:07:37,890 --> 01:07:33,910 at Bruce corn net I believe his name is 1487 01:07:40,740 --> 01:07:37,900 right yeah yeah but he was yeah yeah he 1488 01:07:41,850 --> 01:07:40,750 also had the ability to guard was camera 1489 01:07:44,340 --> 01:07:41,860 and get all these strange things 1490 01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:44,350 oh that's just an airliner well the 1491 01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:45,850 airliners don't happen to have lights 1492 01:07:51,900 --> 01:07:48,370 and that you know configuration like 1493 01:07:54,660 --> 01:07:51,910 these uh the these planes in quotes did 1494 01:07:55,770 --> 01:07:54,670 you know so let's see that's one thing 1495 01:07:58,140 --> 01:07:55,780 you know people are looking for 1496 01:08:00,480 --> 01:07:58,150 disclosure well what kind of disclosure 1497 01:08:05,250 --> 01:08:00,490 are we going to have how could the Obama 1498 01:08:07,770 --> 01:08:05,260 or Donald Trump heaven forbid go on TV 1499 01:08:09,750 --> 01:08:07,780 and talk about all of this I mean when 1500 01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:09,760 the average guy in the street maybe 1501 01:08:17,130 --> 01:08:14,530 he'll take a you know a Gordon Flash 1502 01:08:19,230 --> 01:08:17,140 Gordon you know from some other planet 1503 01:08:22,070 --> 01:08:19,240 landing here and coming out and and 1504 01:08:26,039 --> 01:08:22,080 wanting to shake hands or tentacles or 1505 01:08:27,660 --> 01:08:26,049 rub you know antenna with us but how are 1506 01:08:30,210 --> 01:08:27,670 they going to tear this other stuff and 1507 01:08:32,550 --> 01:08:30,220 how does anybody explain it when we who 1508 01:08:35,519 --> 01:08:32,560 are humbly been doing this for 50 years 1509 01:08:38,579 --> 01:08:35,529 can't really explain it ourselves you 1510 01:08:42,300 --> 01:08:38,589 know I'm it's impossible but it makes 1511 01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:42,310 for a fascinating conversation and it 1512 01:08:47,910 --> 01:08:45,250 makes the the two hours go by so fast 1513 01:08:58,860 --> 01:08:47,920 you want to ask the station to give us 1514 01:09:01,620 --> 01:08:58,870 an extra hour but evening but Jim Jim 1515 01:09:03,030 --> 01:09:01,630 yeah yeah and don't with what time we 1516 01:09:04,559 --> 01:09:03,040 have left for the end of show I've got 1517 01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:04,569 to tell you about that landed alien 1518 01:09:09,690 --> 01:09:06,850 spacecraft that we dealt with here with 1519 01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:09,700 April 11 well we will do we will do that 1520 01:09:15,419 --> 01:09:11,410 we've got a break coming up in a couple 1521 01:09:18,630 --> 01:09:15,429 of minutes and then we'll come back 1522 01:09:25,079 --> 01:09:18,640 and I also want to know about the UFO 1523 01:09:28,169 --> 01:09:25,089 crash and about clouds cover-up or UFOs 1524 01:09:30,030 --> 01:09:28,179 hiding in clouds or clouds manifesting 1525 01:09:30,570 --> 01:09:30,040 as UFOs or maybe it's the other way 1526 01:09:32,700 --> 01:09:30,580 around 1527 01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:32,710 because I know when I was out there 1528 01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:35,290 visiting you and we were up on top of 1529 01:09:42,059 --> 01:09:38,650 his that's nibbly Hill you know yeah 1530 01:09:45,149 --> 01:09:42,069 okay the when you of my goodness what a 1531 01:09:46,709 --> 01:09:45,159 ride up there whoa yeah you better you 1532 01:09:49,380 --> 01:09:46,719 better go up in a four-wheel drive 1533 01:09:51,209 --> 01:09:49,390 because of an automobile I don't know 1534 01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:51,219 whether you make it up or or come down 1535 01:09:56,090 --> 01:09:53,650 but when my friend Charlotte took these 1536 01:10:01,169 --> 01:09:56,100 photographs there are what appear to be 1537 01:10:05,430 --> 01:10:01,179 UFO shaped clouds in the in the sky so 1538 01:10:07,950 --> 01:10:05,440 we've still got a quite a bit of a topic 1539 01:10:10,530 --> 01:10:07,960 to to cover and I just want to mention 1540 01:10:14,939 --> 01:10:10,540 next week we're going to have a great 1541 01:10:18,270 --> 01:10:14,949 show as well we have the two grand lady 1542 01:10:21,570 --> 01:10:18,280 of UFOs and the paranormal and truffle 1543 01:10:24,149 --> 01:10:21,580 and rosemary ellen guiley and we'll be 1544 01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:24,159 back in just a few minutes with Tom 1545 01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:35,390 hi this is Ken Thomas popularizer of 1546 01:10:39,589 --> 01:10:37,290 para politics that is conspiracy 1547 01:10:42,919 --> 01:10:39,599 theories the author of such title says 1548 01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:42,929 the octopus and JFK and UFO and the blog 1549 01:10:47,750 --> 01:10:45,690 stir at steam shovel dot press I want to 1550 01:10:51,050 --> 01:10:47,760 welcome Tim back way and Tim Schwartz to 1551 01:10:53,870 --> 01:10:51,060 the K cor digital network and with their 1552 01:10:59,930 --> 01:10:53,880 show exploring the bizarre and watch out 1553 01:11:02,780 --> 01:10:59,940 for the Lone Gunmen magical Melissa 1554 01:11:06,970 --> 01:11:02,790 casting a good luck spell over Tim 1555 01:11:10,550 --> 01:11:06,980 Beckley and Tim Schwartz hosts of 1556 01:11:12,950 --> 01:11:10,560 exploring the bizarre may the gods and 1557 01:11:16,580 --> 01:11:12,960 goddesses carry their voices throughout 1558 01:11:20,660 --> 01:11:16,590 the cosmos and remember you can only 1559 01:11:26,660 --> 01:11:20,670 hear their show on kco our digital radio 1560 01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:26,670 network all right and here we are back 1561 01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:30,449 again with exploring bizarre at our gosh 1562 01:11:33,830 --> 01:11:32,130 we had about a half hour a little little 1563 01:11:35,540 --> 01:11:33,840 less than a half hour left so let's 1564 01:11:39,319 --> 01:11:35,550 let's get back into our conversation 1565 01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:39,329 with Tom so Tom before our break I you 1566 01:11:44,060 --> 01:11:40,650 have a story that you were wanting to 1567 01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:44,070 tell us yeah well really strange things 1568 01:11:50,870 --> 01:11:47,489 that have happened to me in 25 or 30 1569 01:11:55,129 --> 01:11:50,880 years this was one of the weirdest I had 1570 01:11:56,450 --> 01:11:55,139 a tour one night and there were four 1571 01:12:00,260 --> 01:11:56,460 five six seven there were eight people 1572 01:12:03,950 --> 01:12:00,270 there as witnesses and a fellow brought 1573 01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:03,960 his uh his four-wheel drive so the high 1574 01:12:07,879 --> 01:12:05,730 ground clearance vehicle a week we go I 1575 01:12:10,450 --> 01:12:07,889 go way way on the desert I'm trying to 1576 01:12:12,859 --> 01:12:10,460 retire from doing tours by the way so 1577 01:12:14,330 --> 01:12:12,869 I've been doing it for 20 to 23 years 1578 01:12:17,209 --> 01:12:14,340 now I'm really trying to retire from 1579 01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:17,219 doing tours but at any rate I mean I've 1580 01:12:20,689 --> 01:12:19,050 seen enough you know I don't you know 1581 01:12:31,370 --> 01:12:20,699 that's hard to explain but I don't need 1582 01:12:33,050 --> 01:12:31,380 to see any core I notice the blue light 1583 01:12:36,979 --> 01:12:33,060 off in the distance I was about a half a 1584 01:12:40,370 --> 01:12:36,989 mile away he may have five pairs of 55 1585 01:12:44,419 --> 01:12:40,380 in arkla so we we all started looking at 1586 01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:44,429 the blue light and we what came into 1587 01:12:47,970 --> 01:12:45,130 focus 1588 01:12:52,260 --> 01:12:47,980 there was something of some kind of a 1589 01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:52,270 craft on the ground there were a huge 1590 01:12:57,450 --> 01:12:55,570 blue light on one end of it and then 1591 01:12:59,820 --> 01:12:57,460 white lights that were probably I don't 1592 01:13:02,100 --> 01:12:59,830 know six inches across and diameter 1593 01:13:05,790 --> 01:13:02,110 flying around it like flies or about 15 1594 01:13:07,890 --> 01:13:05,800 to 20 of them and a huge white light 1595 01:13:11,790 --> 01:13:07,900 they're obviously repairing something 1596 01:13:13,730 --> 01:13:11,800 and it looks like a disc to us and it 1597 01:13:16,740 --> 01:13:13,740 was a red light that would come on 1598 01:13:18,500 --> 01:13:16,750 periodically but it was clearly they 1599 01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:18,510 were off they were repairing something 1600 01:13:23,490 --> 01:13:21,130 and we watched this one hour and a half 1601 01:13:25,710 --> 01:13:23,500 we had three really good video cameras 1602 01:13:29,550 --> 01:13:25,720 and not not it none of them would focus 1603 01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:29,560 on the on the craft so this one guy that 1604 01:13:35,700 --> 01:13:32,890 brought his on his own vehicle said I'm 1605 01:13:37,890 --> 01:13:35,710 gonna go down there and we said no 1606 01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:37,900 that's not a good idea good I think it 1607 01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:40,210 crazy to do that but it could be really 1608 01:13:45,510 --> 01:13:42,250 dangerous so now as we jump in his car 1609 01:13:46,710 --> 01:13:45,520 was a girlfriend and we could see us you 1610 01:13:48,900 --> 01:13:46,720 know his headlights going through that 1611 01:13:50,550 --> 01:13:48,910 desert and he got out there and he was 1612 01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:50,560 getting closer and closer to this thing 1613 01:13:57,540 --> 01:13:54,690 in his high-beams were actually on it 1614 01:13:58,710 --> 01:13:57,550 and at that point his girlfriend said 1615 01:14:00,360 --> 01:13:58,720 you can let me out right here because 1616 01:14:02,250 --> 01:14:00,370 I'm not gonna I'm not getting any nearer 1617 01:14:03,150 --> 01:14:02,260 to that thing so that's when he turned 1618 01:14:06,690 --> 01:14:03,160 around and came back 1619 01:14:08,430 --> 01:14:06,700 he came back and he said he got close 1620 01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:08,440 enough to it and while he was there by 1621 01:14:13,620 --> 01:14:11,530 the way a huge red light came came on 1622 01:14:16,620 --> 01:14:13,630 and it was probably we think it was some 1623 01:14:18,180 --> 01:14:16,630 kind of a defensive thing and if it was 1624 01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:18,190 one of ours it would have been attack 1625 01:14:23,130 --> 01:14:20,170 helicopters flying all around and there 1626 01:14:25,050 --> 01:14:23,140 wasn't he said it was a 90-foot disc and 1627 01:14:28,980 --> 01:14:25,060 it had little red lights all around the 1628 01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:28,990 other edge of the disc and he couldn't 1629 01:14:32,550 --> 01:14:30,970 see any beings but he could see the 1630 01:14:34,140 --> 01:14:32,560 light you know that they were they were 1631 01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:34,150 probably carrying lights and then they 1632 01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:36,250 were repairing something on the edge of 1633 01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:39,250 the disc and then he when he got back 1634 01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:41,890 the blue light that the intensity was 1635 01:14:46,890 --> 01:14:44,770 incredible I mean it's a white light you 1636 01:14:48,660 --> 01:14:46,900 know there's plenty of we have white 1637 01:14:51,180 --> 01:14:48,670 lights they could get that bright but a 1638 01:14:53,790 --> 01:14:51,190 blue light I'd say no and then another 1639 01:14:56,610 --> 01:14:53,800 one formed in the sky and maybe 50 feet 1640 01:14:58,770 --> 01:14:56,620 above the first blue light so there was 1641 01:15:04,560 --> 01:14:58,780 no - and the intensity of the 1642 01:15:08,250 --> 01:15:04,570 the brightness was phenomenal so we 1643 01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:08,260 watched this thing for an hour and it 1644 01:15:13,950 --> 01:15:12,850 was still going on when we left and an 1645 01:15:15,210 --> 01:15:13,960 alien I couldn't have been with 1646 01:15:17,910 --> 01:15:15,220 something else I was gonna say and I 1647 01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:17,920 can't remember what it was but any rate 1648 01:15:22,530 --> 01:15:19,930 that was there was quite a night and 1649 01:15:25,260 --> 01:15:22,540 then in a the two weeks after that we 1650 01:15:27,690 --> 01:15:25,270 had we had two more sightings of one 1651 01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:27,700 craft was about a quarter of a mile 1652 01:15:33,780 --> 01:15:30,850 across and it was mainly shaped like a 1653 01:15:35,490 --> 01:15:33,790 shoe and we asked this thing that we 1654 01:15:36,990 --> 01:15:35,500 nice and I said let's try it let's ask 1655 01:15:39,630 --> 01:15:37,000 this thing to light up for us or at 1656 01:15:42,300 --> 01:15:39,640 least five seconds being so you see 1657 01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:42,310 about it and it did it it lit up for 1658 01:15:46,470 --> 01:15:44,050 exactly five seconds and it's basically 1659 01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:46,480 shaped like a boot with three huge 1660 01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:48,010 lights on the front of it 1661 01:15:52,740 --> 01:15:49,690 and then there was another light up 1662 01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:52,750 ahead of it yeah maybe a quarter of a 1663 01:15:57,330 --> 01:15:55,570 mile and that whole thing flew behind 1664 01:15:59,520 --> 01:15:57,340 the mingus mountains which are about 18 1665 01:16:01,050 --> 01:15:59,530 miles away and the little white lights 1666 01:16:02,550 --> 01:16:01,060 you don't watch the little big 12-foot 1667 01:16:04,020 --> 01:16:02,560 boat going across the lake at night a 1668 01:16:06,780 --> 01:16:04,030 little white light well that's what it 1669 01:16:10,410 --> 01:16:06,790 looked like so the whole thing went 1670 01:16:11,730 --> 01:16:10,420 behind the mingus miles and we at that 1671 01:16:13,860 --> 01:16:11,740 time we could at that point we could 1672 01:16:16,220 --> 01:16:13,870 judge the size of it that's how long it 1673 01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:16,230 was how big it was 1674 01:16:19,770 --> 01:16:18,970 yeah and so anyway that was quite a 1675 01:16:21,300 --> 01:16:19,780 quite a while 1676 01:16:23,970 --> 01:16:21,310 and there are there are two base there 1677 01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:23,980 two alien bases here actually three one 1678 01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:26,770 of them is extremely dangerous but I've 1679 01:16:32,490 --> 01:16:29,530 had a friend with with extremely high 1680 01:16:33,420 --> 01:16:32,500 credibility and his wife friend twice to 1681 01:16:40,770 --> 01:16:33,430 stay away from it 1682 01:16:43,860 --> 01:16:40,780 by who he he just he got phone calls and 1683 01:16:49,770 --> 01:16:43,870 they said you you we're not gonna warn 1684 01:16:51,540 --> 01:16:49,780 you again and what you you you know you 1685 01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:51,550 know we're threatening your life and he 1686 01:16:54,660 --> 01:16:53,530 did he went back they called him again 1687 01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:54,670 he says what I could've warned it again 1688 01:16:59,900 --> 01:16:56,650 this is your last chance so he didn't go 1689 01:17:02,490 --> 01:16:59,910 back but his credentials are impeccable 1690 01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:02,500 are we to assume this is some sort of 1691 01:17:09,390 --> 01:17:05,290 government agency 1692 01:17:10,650 --> 01:17:09,400 this one is yeah yeah this this one yeah 1693 01:17:12,510 --> 01:17:10,660 I'm not gonna say anything more about 1694 01:17:14,540 --> 01:17:12,520 this one this one is government 1695 01:17:17,190 --> 01:17:14,550 but the other two are extraterrestrial 1696 01:17:19,650 --> 01:17:17,200 and they're not they're not close by so 1697 01:17:21,300 --> 01:17:19,660 it's it's oh yeah I'm not gonna talk 1698 01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:21,310 about that when I add all the one that's 1699 01:17:24,959 --> 01:17:23,050 uh yeah that's other guy got his life 1700 01:17:26,430 --> 01:17:24,969 threatened about he showed me all kinds 1701 01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:26,440 of pictures and yeah this is that means 1702 01:17:31,590 --> 01:17:29,010 yeah you got it 1703 01:17:33,870 --> 01:17:31,600 good would you say then that the 1704 01:17:36,330 --> 01:17:33,880 government the military or who in 1705 01:17:39,630 --> 01:17:36,340 particular knows about what's going on 1706 01:17:41,370 --> 01:17:39,640 in Sedona a little of everything it's a 1707 01:17:43,260 --> 01:17:41,380 little extra little extraterrestrial 1708 01:17:47,130 --> 01:17:43,270 this little government it's a little bit 1709 01:17:49,110 --> 01:17:47,140 US military because when we had all the 1710 01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:49,120 gunpoint incidents in the canyons people 1711 01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:51,010 hikers what now we're getting stopped at 1712 01:17:59,729 --> 01:17:56,170 gunpoint the these fellows in uniform 1713 01:18:03,209 --> 01:17:59,739 all were wearing current US military 1714 01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:03,219 uniforms with no insignia on them the 1715 01:18:08,220 --> 01:18:06,730 insignias were completely removed but 1716 01:18:11,370 --> 01:18:08,230 this happened about this before thing 1717 01:18:14,100 --> 01:18:11,380 happened about thirty five times three 1718 01:18:17,220 --> 01:18:14,110 dozen times a couple of them the guys 1719 01:18:20,420 --> 01:18:17,230 the guy said no I'm not going back I'm 1720 01:18:24,630 --> 01:18:20,430 going that way this is this is a 1721 01:18:25,740 --> 01:18:24,640 National Forest and then and he was one 1722 01:18:28,860 --> 01:18:25,750 problem to take a lot at no I 1723 01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:28,870 interviewed he he was told at gunpoint 1724 01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:30,850 you take one more step and we'll shoot 1725 01:18:36,990 --> 01:18:33,250 so then he knew they are serious and any 1726 01:18:39,810 --> 01:18:37,000 turnaround the left so they were hiding 1727 01:18:42,150 --> 01:18:39,820 something that they did back in that 1728 01:18:43,979 --> 01:18:42,160 time which is about 15 years ago they 1729 01:18:45,990 --> 01:18:43,989 were building something back there that 1730 01:18:50,060 --> 01:18:46,000 they didn't it must have been massive 1731 01:18:52,820 --> 01:18:50,070 because this was a huge area they would 1732 01:18:55,070 --> 01:18:52,830 you know encompass maybe 20 square miles 1733 01:19:01,590 --> 01:18:55,080 but whatever it was when it was active 1734 01:19:03,330 --> 01:19:01,600 they it was dangerous yep well obviously 1735 01:19:05,940 --> 01:19:03,340 is this it was something they were 1736 01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:05,950 building underground on the surface yeah 1737 01:19:11,130 --> 01:19:08,410 no it's underground tunnel system uh-huh 1738 01:19:13,950 --> 01:19:11,140 it ran from it ran from area 51 in Las 1739 01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:13,960 Vegas to the Navajo Army Depot the 1740 01:19:19,979 --> 01:19:17,530 secret Canyon to a Jerome and then 1741 01:19:22,890 --> 01:19:19,989 straight West and someone in the 1742 01:19:24,870 --> 01:19:22,900 government called a friend of mine and I 1743 01:19:28,740 --> 01:19:24,880 said I know who this was 1744 01:19:30,209 --> 01:19:28,750 but he he he said tell Tom dongho that 1745 01:19:32,340 --> 01:19:30,219 he's right about the tunnel system but 1746 01:19:35,490 --> 01:19:32,350 it goes further than he thinks he goes 1747 01:19:39,930 --> 01:19:35,500 from the Navajo Army Depot to Las Vegas 1748 01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:39,940 to area 51 and this guy was a high 1749 01:19:47,070 --> 01:19:42,370 government official that they called 1750 01:19:49,110 --> 01:19:47,080 this friend of mine so precompilation 1751 01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:49,120 why why would you think that they would 1752 01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:51,570 that they would build a tunnel system 1753 01:19:58,700 --> 01:19:54,730 our then around Sedona I mean from 1754 01:20:01,320 --> 01:19:58,710 Sedona and then to other places I mean 1755 01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:01,330 it probably has it's probably connected 1756 01:20:05,610 --> 01:20:03,250 to the worldwide tunnel system and I 1757 01:20:08,010 --> 01:20:05,620 just happened to be when they were 1758 01:20:09,570 --> 01:20:08,020 drilling it because you could go on the 1759 01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:09,580 branch or ranch and hear them drilling 1760 01:20:16,500 --> 01:20:12,850 we do the drilling underneath the ranch 1761 01:20:17,729 --> 01:20:16,510 and the the windmill was shaking and 1762 01:20:20,910 --> 01:20:17,739 letting the water pipes that were 1763 01:20:23,270 --> 01:20:20,920 visible you know above ground were 1764 01:20:27,290 --> 01:20:23,280 shaking you can hear the rumbling under 1765 01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:27,300 on the ground and it went toward zero 1766 01:20:34,140 --> 01:20:30,370 later there's no drilling that went 1767 01:20:35,879 --> 01:20:34,150 straight with maybe that's why all the 1768 01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:35,889 ghoster in Jerome to scare people away 1769 01:20:41,669 --> 01:20:39,370 yeah well I was going to say do you 1770 01:20:43,530 --> 01:20:41,679 think maybe that was why the Brad saw of 1771 01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:43,540 ranch had been closed down by the 1772 01:20:50,070 --> 01:20:48,250 government for so long well nobody knows 1773 01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:50,080 and you know the government certainly 1774 01:20:53,629 --> 01:20:51,489 not talking about it but it was it was 1775 01:21:00,810 --> 01:20:53,639 completely closed for about ten years 1776 01:21:03,060 --> 01:21:00,820 you know with the gate surrounding going 1777 01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:03,070 you know going on underneath it I mean 1778 01:21:07,740 --> 01:21:06,250 that's that's a good way to people 1779 01:21:09,260 --> 01:21:07,750 aren't gonna notice what's going on if 1780 01:21:12,990 --> 01:21:09,270 they have the gates locked 1781 01:21:19,740 --> 01:21:13,000 right well the the the other seven Big 1782 01:21:21,990 --> 01:21:19,750 Canyon Sedona to the west and each each 1783 01:21:23,850 --> 01:21:22,000 one with canyons had a gun point 1784 01:21:24,419 --> 01:21:23,860 incident in it where hikers will stop at 1785 01:21:27,060 --> 01:21:24,429 gun point 1786 01:21:29,070 --> 01:21:27,070 I got a lot of stories on my mind I 1787 01:21:34,470 --> 01:21:29,080 think we just don't have the time but 1788 01:21:35,970 --> 01:21:34,480 they they were the but the opening is 1789 01:21:38,459 --> 01:21:35,980 down into the tunnel system and that's 1790 01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:38,469 what they were didn't want people to see 1791 01:21:45,150 --> 01:21:42,610 and insta travels alien beings and US 1792 01:21:47,300 --> 01:21:45,160 military was seen in those areas but 1793 01:21:49,500 --> 01:21:47,310 never together there was not one 1794 01:21:51,660 --> 01:21:49,510 incident that I know all the where they 1795 01:21:55,250 --> 01:21:51,670 were seen together but they were they 1796 01:21:58,680 --> 01:21:55,260 were seen separately in the same area 1797 01:22:02,250 --> 01:21:58,690 now didn't you tell me that there had 1798 01:22:04,370 --> 01:22:02,260 been a reported UFO crash outside us to 1799 01:22:06,750 --> 01:22:04,380 do Sedona and one of the canyons there 1800 01:22:10,220 --> 01:22:06,760 no that was that house Mountain yeah 1801 01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:10,230 that was there was another big story 1802 01:22:16,500 --> 01:22:13,810 this is in 1992 I believe and there was 1803 01:22:21,959 --> 01:22:16,510 there were 17 attack helicopters on the 1804 01:22:25,979 --> 01:22:21,969 ground yeah between cottonwood 1805 01:22:29,790 --> 01:22:25,989 cottonwood in Camp Verde and those they 1806 01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:29,800 were fully armed helicopter TAC 1807 01:22:35,630 --> 01:22:31,810 helicopters flying at treetop level over 1808 01:22:38,810 --> 01:22:35,640 Sedona well loaded with missiles and 1809 01:22:43,770 --> 01:22:38,820 they were hauling stuff I was here that 1810 01:22:50,130 --> 01:22:43,780 that they weren't flatbed trucks with an 1811 01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:50,140 extremely thick like a rubber sheet on 1812 01:22:54,959 --> 01:22:51,730 top and it was pulled over these things 1813 01:22:59,209 --> 01:22:54,969 and I followed one of trucks for quite a 1814 01:23:01,620 --> 01:22:59,219 ways and the it looks like wreckage and 1815 01:23:03,420 --> 01:23:01,630 there were about seven of us there was a 1816 01:23:05,220 --> 01:23:03,430 number of UFO researchers here at the 1817 01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:05,230 time there about seven of the worst 1818 01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:08,170 family like crazy to gather information 1819 01:23:16,500 --> 01:23:12,610 and we didn't get any direct proof but 1820 01:23:18,570 --> 01:23:16,510 we pretty much surmised or deduced that 1821 01:23:22,770 --> 01:23:18,580 there was a crash on house mountains 1822 01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:22,780 between Sedona and cottonwood Hall 1823 01:23:29,729 --> 01:23:26,050 directed what what what was the crash of 1824 01:23:32,450 --> 01:23:29,739 the craft that described us what did it 1825 01:23:35,459 --> 01:23:32,460 look like nobody saw it 1826 01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:35,469 nobody saw it and and how loud is four 1827 01:23:41,670 --> 01:23:39,730 were there any alien bodies or anything 1828 01:23:43,550 --> 01:23:41,680 related to the crash I mean was it a 1829 01:23:46,530 --> 01:23:43,560 real wreckage scene 1830 01:23:47,939 --> 01:23:46,540 well we nobody look by the time we 1831 01:23:49,189 --> 01:23:47,949 figured out what was going on it's too 1832 01:23:54,970 --> 01:23:49,199 late they had everything 1833 01:24:01,010 --> 01:23:58,600 so that that's really all we know but it 1834 01:24:02,660 --> 01:24:01,020 you know that's all we know about that 1835 01:24:05,570 --> 01:24:02,670 it was quite an important experience it 1836 01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:05,580 was it really really tired us down for 1837 01:24:10,060 --> 01:24:08,010 about a week you're having everything we 1838 01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:10,070 could as fast as we could 1839 01:24:14,180 --> 01:24:12,090 but that's all we we didn't you know 1840 01:24:16,430 --> 01:24:14,190 there's no eyewitnesses to this to the 1841 01:24:20,030 --> 01:24:16,440 crash right yeah we did the deuce from 1842 01:24:25,209 --> 01:24:20,040 what we saw or what was going on any 1843 01:24:28,700 --> 01:24:25,219 animal mutilations no zero no zero no 1844 01:24:32,450 --> 01:24:28,710 well I wonder you know our friend Chris 1845 01:24:33,530 --> 01:24:32,460 O'Brien he's you know why I guess he 1846 01:24:36,620 --> 01:24:33,540 themselves up 1847 01:24:39,260 --> 01:24:36,630 he lives between Sedona and Jerome how 1848 01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:39,270 about that he's probably yeah I talked 1849 01:24:45,740 --> 01:24:43,250 to yesterday he live in Camp Verde yeah 1850 01:24:50,570 --> 01:24:45,750 he's probably taking care of the tunnel 1851 01:24:53,510 --> 01:24:50,580 system out there I would guess but of 1852 01:24:58,729 --> 01:24:53,520 course he investigated the mutilations 1853 01:25:00,890 --> 01:24:58,739 when he was in Arizona and in Colorado 1854 01:25:03,110 --> 01:25:00,900 I'm sorry he's in Arizona now my 1855 01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:03,120 geography so off when we talk about 1856 01:25:09,229 --> 01:25:05,850 these it's base it's basically a subject 1857 01:25:12,350 --> 01:25:09,239 you but now so you think this is all 1858 01:25:14,540 --> 01:25:12,360 still going on but to some degree our 1859 01:25:15,830 --> 01:25:14,550 people still interested in this I mean I 1860 01:25:19,010 --> 01:25:15,840 I know it 1861 01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:19,020 Sedona gets a lot of the tourists and 1862 01:25:25,220 --> 01:25:23,489 visitors like four million a year some 1863 01:25:27,470 --> 01:25:25,230 of them I guess still come for 1864 01:25:29,570 --> 01:25:27,480 meditation and they go to the spa and 1865 01:25:32,870 --> 01:25:29,580 they get a facial and acupuncture and 1866 01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:32,880 and all that stuff and there are a 1867 01:25:39,260 --> 01:25:35,010 number is still a number of crystal 1868 01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:39,270 shops and bookstore metaphysical 1869 01:25:47,780 --> 01:25:43,050 bookstores and my goodness enough 1870 01:25:49,790 --> 01:25:47,790 jewelry that you could you know be is 1871 01:25:52,370 --> 01:25:49,800 riches I was gonna say Rockefeller but 1872 01:25:53,930 --> 01:25:52,380 he's passed say these days and you can 1873 01:25:56,479 --> 01:25:53,940 spend as much money as Rockefeller I 1874 01:26:00,080 --> 01:25:56,489 would guess but it's it's it's 1875 01:26:01,209 --> 01:26:00,090 absolutely a beautiful place and you 1876 01:26:03,370 --> 01:26:01,219 know it kind of 1877 01:26:05,260 --> 01:26:03,380 for visuals I don't think you're going 1878 01:26:07,630 --> 01:26:05,270 to find outside of maybe living on the 1879 01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:07,640 Amazon or something any anything quite 1880 01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:10,010 like that I'm sure some people would 1881 01:26:17,890 --> 01:26:13,210 disagree but it's certainly worth the 1882 01:26:21,490 --> 01:26:17,900 the the the time to drive out there and 1883 01:26:24,209 --> 01:26:21,500 you know people come in to a Tucson or 1884 01:26:26,290 --> 01:26:24,219 Phoenix and there is a small airport in 1885 01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:26,300 Sedona but you know I've never flown 1886 01:26:33,729 --> 01:26:30,650 there I've always taken the the van or 1887 01:26:35,500 --> 01:26:33,739 the car or whatever I could get down 1888 01:26:36,820 --> 01:26:35,510 down there and it's a bit it's a 1889 01:26:40,150 --> 01:26:36,830 beautiful trip you're not going to see 1890 01:26:41,860 --> 01:26:40,160 too much scenery like that of course you 1891 01:26:44,530 --> 01:26:41,870 go through a bit of stretch of desert 1892 01:26:46,750 --> 01:26:44,540 and then you hit the red rocket into the 1893 01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:46,760 country and it's amazing I mean you've 1894 01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:48,370 got so many sights there you got the 1895 01:26:54,910 --> 01:26:52,610 cathedral rock and Bell Rock and there's 1896 01:26:56,979 --> 01:26:54,920 even a a church there at Thomas I 1897 01:26:58,780 --> 01:26:56,989 remember going up there with Charlotte 1898 01:27:00,910 --> 01:26:58,790 I believe the Catholic Church on top of 1899 01:27:06,670 --> 01:27:00,920 the mountain yeah the Church of the Holy 1900 01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:06,680 Cross yeah absolutely beautiful view 1901 01:27:10,630 --> 01:27:08,810 from from there and they have an 1902 01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:10,640 observatory in nearby I don't know if 1903 01:27:14,350 --> 01:27:12,170 that's run by the Catholic Church or not 1904 01:27:16,930 --> 01:27:14,360 but from that vantage point you can see 1905 01:27:21,820 --> 01:27:16,940 the observatory either that or some very 1906 01:27:26,950 --> 01:27:21,830 wealthy person that that lives there Tim 1907 01:27:30,729 --> 01:27:26,960 you want to yeah I just I want to know 1908 01:27:33,670 --> 01:27:30,739 you know you were talking Tom about you 1909 01:27:36,070 --> 01:27:33,680 know people people being threatened now 1910 01:27:38,430 --> 01:27:36,080 has has anybody ever come to you or 1911 01:27:41,410 --> 01:27:38,440 called you or anything and said you know 1912 01:27:43,030 --> 01:27:41,420 kept us cut this stuff out stop taking 1913 01:27:51,850 --> 01:27:43,040 pictures stop taking people out there 1914 01:27:53,910 --> 01:27:51,860 just just got it totally convinced that 1915 01:28:00,010 --> 01:27:53,920 there's either something spiritual or 1916 01:28:02,380 --> 01:28:00,020 extraterrestrial it's standing guard you 1917 01:28:03,790 --> 01:28:02,390 know for me it protects me I'm convinced 1918 01:28:05,410 --> 01:28:03,800 to that there's been so many things so 1919 01:28:08,050 --> 01:28:05,420 many times like I could have been hurt 1920 01:28:12,370 --> 01:28:08,060 or worse and I didn't it seems like 1921 01:28:13,870 --> 01:28:12,380 something is looking out for me 1922 01:28:19,569 --> 01:28:13,880 well now wouldn't you say your phone was 1923 01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:19,579 tapped how do you know you can hear 1924 01:28:24,490 --> 01:28:21,650 strange noises beeps and sighing again 1925 01:28:29,200 --> 01:28:24,500 in time bits of conversation here and 1926 01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:29,210 there and it was clear to me at the time 1927 01:28:34,270 --> 01:28:32,210 it was tapped it didn't last very long 1928 01:28:35,830 --> 01:28:34,280 well was it was there something in 1929 01:28:38,589 --> 01:28:35,840 particular you were working on at that 1930 01:28:40,089 --> 01:28:38,599 time that you think you know right in 1931 01:28:41,410 --> 01:28:40,099 the middle of the Bradshaw and stuff at 1932 01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:41,420 the time so it was pretty intense 1933 01:28:46,629 --> 01:28:44,090 I see now you know once again we're back 1934 01:28:50,589 --> 01:28:46,639 to the Brad saw a wrench again and the 1935 01:28:52,419 --> 01:28:50,599 the unusual activity there that really 1936 01:28:55,330 --> 01:28:52,429 seems to be the focus of a lot of 1937 01:29:06,010 --> 01:28:55,340 interest you know from from the 1938 01:29:09,939 --> 01:29:06,020 government days to come Toby more about 1939 01:29:12,490 --> 01:29:09,949 the branch or a it's not over the made 1940 01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:12,500 the best sightings UFO sightings that 1941 01:29:15,580 --> 01:29:13,730 we've had around here have been very 1942 01:29:17,950 --> 01:29:15,590 close to the Bradshaw train so it's 1943 01:29:23,950 --> 01:29:17,960 probably still very active you know 1944 01:29:29,050 --> 01:29:23,960 whatever it is or was how has the how 1945 01:29:30,790 --> 01:29:29,060 has the has a bit of change in the type 1946 01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:30,800 of phenomena that presents that presents 1947 01:29:34,330 --> 01:29:32,810 itself not only just there at the 1948 01:29:36,359 --> 01:29:34,340 Bradshaw ranch but anywhere in the 1949 01:29:38,740 --> 01:29:36,369 neighborhood you know in and around 1950 01:29:43,830 --> 01:29:38,750 Sedona is there any change or is it 1951 01:29:46,270 --> 01:29:43,840 pretty much the same sort of events well 1952 01:29:48,250 --> 01:29:46,280 that's a very good question and actually 1953 01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:48,260 I'd say about 80% of the stuff that used 1954 01:29:54,669 --> 01:29:50,810 to happen it stopped but there's a new 1955 01:29:55,839 --> 01:29:54,679 kind of especially UFO sightings that 1956 01:29:59,109 --> 01:29:55,849 are that are going on around here 1957 01:30:02,080 --> 01:29:59,119 they're really really pretty profound so 1958 01:30:05,140 --> 01:30:02,090 in that sense you know it has changed 1959 01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:05,150 but you know I tell people that when I 1960 01:30:10,839 --> 01:30:08,810 first moved here magic used to happen 1961 01:30:13,810 --> 01:30:10,849 real magic used to happen in Sonora and 1962 01:30:16,120 --> 01:30:13,820 it still does but phenomena has become 1963 01:30:20,470 --> 01:30:16,130 so overpopulated that I think it's 1964 01:30:22,689 --> 01:30:20,480 pushed a lot of it out I really do what 1965 01:30:24,949 --> 01:30:22,699 well what's sort of a phenomena then has 1966 01:30:27,679 --> 01:30:24,959 been happening that's different 1967 01:30:30,799 --> 01:30:27,689 well the UFO sightings in Samara they've 1968 01:30:36,219 --> 01:30:30,809 been there been a great deal if you know 1969 01:30:39,589 --> 01:30:36,229 like the the half-mile-wide bang Yoshi 1970 01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:39,599 craft flying over Sedona two months ago 1971 01:30:45,859 --> 01:30:42,570 and that sort of thing that's a lot of 1972 01:30:50,500 --> 01:30:45,869 that happening here any any landing 1973 01:30:59,899 --> 01:30:50,510 reports no I don't know one that we saw 1974 01:31:02,449 --> 01:30:59,909 you know but now you mentioned this 1975 01:31:04,310 --> 01:31:02,459 underground of phenomena there have been 1976 01:31:08,719 --> 01:31:04,320 beams of light coming out of the ground 1977 01:31:10,939 --> 01:31:08,729 in addition to the the sounds oh boy 1978 01:31:16,810 --> 01:31:10,949 Sycamore Canyon which is which is to the 1979 01:31:21,739 --> 01:31:16,820 west of Sedona there have been seen we 1980 01:31:25,069 --> 01:31:21,749 beams of light explosions with no sound 1981 01:31:26,569 --> 01:31:25,079 a few years ago I was out there with a 1982 01:31:30,319 --> 01:31:26,579 friend of mine it was a retired CIA 1983 01:31:31,910 --> 01:31:30,329 agent we he said look look look and we 1984 01:31:34,069 --> 01:31:31,920 looked up in a sky and this thing was 1985 01:31:36,949 --> 01:31:34,079 coming down on the sky I would estimate 1986 01:31:39,830 --> 01:31:36,959 at least 50,000 miles an hour and it 1987 01:31:41,899 --> 01:31:39,840 came down and came to a dead stop at 1988 01:31:44,419 --> 01:31:41,909 50,000 miles an hour over Sycamore 1989 01:31:47,959 --> 01:31:44,429 Canyon and Sycamore Canyon is a strange 1990 01:31:50,569 --> 01:31:47,969 strange place I think this some kind of 1991 01:31:53,509 --> 01:31:50,579 an alien something there an installation 1992 01:31:56,149 --> 01:31:53,519 or whatever but any right there like the 1993 01:31:58,429 --> 01:31:56,159 the or it was an orb shaped thing 1994 01:32:01,009 --> 01:31:58,439 whatever it was it picked up speed and 1995 01:32:04,279 --> 01:32:01,019 from a dead stop it went into six 1996 01:32:07,549 --> 01:32:04,289 Sycamore Canyon and a clear light flash 1997 01:32:12,500 --> 01:32:07,559 lit up the entire horizon for probably 1998 01:32:14,660 --> 01:32:12,510 I'd say 50 mile there's no explosion it 1999 01:32:18,859 --> 01:32:14,670 wasn't like a flash cube of clear light 2000 01:32:21,589 --> 01:32:18,869 hard to explain so that sort of thing a 2001 01:32:24,500 --> 01:32:21,599 note no snow no sound whatsoever no no 2002 01:32:27,830 --> 01:32:24,510 no no no blast no ground shaking or 2003 01:32:29,750 --> 01:32:27,840 anything like that and so that sort of 2004 01:32:31,729 --> 01:32:29,760 thing happens a lot in the area of 2005 01:32:36,229 --> 01:32:31,739 Sycamore Canyon beams of light coming 2006 01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:36,239 out strange violet lights lighting up 2007 01:32:39,220 --> 01:32:37,530 the canyon and 2008 01:32:42,470 --> 01:32:39,230 you know this thing's been a lot of it 2009 01:32:44,780 --> 01:32:42,480 hmm are they are the beams just like 2010 01:32:52,910 --> 01:32:44,790 solid white light or is it the different 2011 01:32:54,680 --> 01:32:52,920 colors or well there you got that you 2012 01:32:57,980 --> 01:32:54,690 got the blue man and you got the colored 2013 01:33:00,280 --> 01:32:57,990 lights and all kinds of strange UFOs 2014 01:33:03,380 --> 01:33:00,290 that are that have been seeing them 2015 01:33:08,090 --> 01:33:03,390 floating it floating around and you know 2016 01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:08,100 I would recommend to our people 2017 01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:10,050 especially listeners who live in the Las 2018 01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:13,050 Vegas area or who live in the southwest 2019 01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:15,570 that if they haven't been to Sedona they 2020 01:33:22,550 --> 01:33:18,810 should pack their bag and get on the 2021 01:33:24,830 --> 01:33:22,560 road and stop in to Rome and and see 2022 01:33:27,680 --> 01:33:24,840 some of the ghosts down there and that's 2023 01:33:30,350 --> 01:33:27,690 a great that's a great town to visit as 2024 01:33:32,390 --> 01:33:30,360 well and millions of dollars may be 2025 01:33:34,850 --> 01:33:32,400 buried there who knows I mean when did 2026 01:33:36,980 --> 01:33:34,860 an X books I'm working on eyes on the 2027 01:33:40,250 --> 01:33:36,990 treasure in fact we found that a lot of 2028 01:33:41,750 --> 01:33:40,260 UFOs and ghosts present themselves in 2029 01:33:42,950 --> 01:33:41,760 the area where there is supposedly 2030 01:33:45,650 --> 01:33:42,960 buried treasure 2031 01:33:48,380 --> 01:33:45,660 so one way or another perhaps some of us 2032 01:33:50,630 --> 01:33:48,390 could manage to finally after all these 2033 01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:50,640 years break even or make a few dollars 2034 01:33:58,340 --> 01:33:54,410 on the on UFOs which is hard to imagine 2035 01:34:01,520 --> 01:33:58,350 but we've had a great dish show tonight 2036 01:34:04,370 --> 01:34:01,530 and I want to thank Tom and again at Tom 2037 01:34:07,880 --> 01:34:04,380 dango and again you're still giving you 2038 01:34:11,570 --> 01:34:07,890 some limited tours are you of Sedona or 2039 01:34:14,300 --> 01:34:11,580 one or two Amaro ok well they are worth 2040 01:34:17,110 --> 01:34:14,310 while taking by all means and go to 2041 01:34:21,410 --> 01:34:17,120 google and type in Tom Don go visit his 2042 01:34:24,050 --> 01:34:21,420 blog and get his books on amazon.com and 2043 01:34:26,030 --> 01:34:24,060 don't forget ours which is the UFO 2044 01:34:27,200 --> 01:34:26,040 repeaters the camera doesn't lie because 2045 01:34:29,090 --> 01:34:27,210 Thomas and there was some of these 2046 01:34:31,730 --> 01:34:29,100 fabulous photographs and some other 2047 01:34:34,340 --> 01:34:31,740 people as well and I want to thank our 2048 01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:34,350 staff of people who have helped with 2049 01:34:41,570 --> 01:34:37,290 this show our first night Teena Marie 2050 01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:41,580 and of course my fabulous co-host Tim 2051 01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:44,730 Schwartz and Tim we'll see you next week 2052 01:34:50,990 --> 01:34:48,890 when we should hop on and truffle and 2053 01:34:57,820 --> 01:34:51,000 rosemary ellen guiley 2054 01:35:04,670 --> 01:35:00,740 you've been listening to exploring the 2055 01:35:07,910 --> 01:35:04,680 bazaar with hosts Timothy Becky and team 2056 01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:07,920 Swartz they're taking back the night by 2057 01:35:13,370 --> 01:35:10,770 jetting non-stop across the cosmos in 2058 01:35:16,990 --> 01:35:13,380 search of the truly bizarre and totally 2059 01:35:19,690 --> 01:35:17,000 unexplained with you as their combined 2060 01:35:22,069 --> 01:35:19,700 Thursday nights at 7:00 p.m. Pacific 2061 01:35:26,180 --> 01:35:22,079 10:00 p.m. 2062 01:35:28,910 --> 01:35:26,190 on the K cor digital radio for more 2063 01:35:32,390 --> 01:35:28,920 information on exploring the bazaar and 2064 01:35:35,439 --> 01:35:32,400 hosts Timothy Becca and Tim 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